Stop saying that these champions are unoriginal and plain copies of other champs.

The entire team·Apr 27, 2019·127 votes·30,120 views

Seriously, it is extremely difficult to make original concepts without copying from the champions numbering over 100. Can you haters do better?

Yuumi isn’t a Sona clone purely cuz of her ultimate. The cat has numerous qualities that make her her own champion.

She has a guided missile that is controlled by the mouse? HURRRRR THATS THE SION ULTI AND NUNU SNOWBALLZ EVER. UNORIGINAL AND OP BLAME CERTAINLYT !!!!1

She can attach to other champs? DAHHH SHE IS RAKAN RITO STAHP NEING UNORIGINAL AND BLAME CERTAINLYT!!1!!

She can autoattack? ALL CHAMPS CAN AUTOATTACK AND THIS CAT STEALS THIS OH SO UNORIGINAL UNINSTALL AND PLAY FORNITE BLAMECERTAINLYT!!!!1!one!

At least be happy she isn’t overloaded.

156 Comments

RiotAD YuumiApr 27, 2019150 votes

She can autoattack you say?

Killer of Night9Apr 27, 201911 votes

She didn't even hit the pbe and a rioter has already claim the title of Ad yuumi main. Can i claim the tank one?

Caitlyn FTWApr 27, 20198 votes

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Kei143Apr 27, 201912 votes

That's uh.. Jinxylord I think. You can tell from his post history.

Abibyama IIApr 27, 20198 votes

Can confirm it's August

Dude wtf

hrooza dota Apr 27, 201936 votes

that name.... im scared

Velzard of KozApr 27, 20194 votes

You got Jinxed

Mysticman89Apr 27, 20192 votes

On-hit yuumi sounds OP. I hope they don't end up needing to tune rageblade around her.

ChronabisApr 27, 20195 votes

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She can autoattack you say?

Can you make an Aatrox rework that auto attacks? This boris dude seems completely designed to tell players "auto bad"

Well CauseApr 27, 201920 votes

I fear no man... But that name... it scares me.

Spooky SkeletonApr 28, 20198 votes

What the hell is an auto attack? Karthus

3TWarriorApr 28, 20195 votes

that thing that happens when you accidentally right click something not a tower

TerozuApr 28, 20196 votes

I can't wait to see One for All Yuumi, one goes full attack speed crit, the rest all buff her AD and heal her. 1v5

hunterviciousApr 28, 20195 votes

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She can autoattack you say?

Ah s*** here we go again

I am 12Apr 28, 20194 votes

one question: are you already a AD Yuumi one trick?

Arcade LuluApr 27, 201925 votes

I'll never understand people who cry about champions being copies of each other They do realize that almost all champions copy each other's auto attacks, right?

Póppy ChuloApr 27, 20198 votes

No because Jinx uses a gun and Draven uses a sword and Lucian uses a g- oh

Freed By FrailtyApr 27, 201918 votes

I think you're missing the point. What I've seen most people complain about isn't her gameplay, but her overall design and thematic.

She uses the same design the rest of the Enchanters use, flowy, light, pastels, feminine. The only thing that makes her stand out from a thematic point of view is that she's a cat.

kile147Apr 27, 20199 votes

That's fair I guess. I've heard talk of a "Drill Sergent" support for awhile, and that would be a much bigger thematic break from what they have done in the past.

KioshekApr 27, 20191 votes

Tbh they tried bringing something new to supports with Pyke and almost everybody hates him. :shrug: (I mean playing against and sometimes even with him. Not that people hate to play him.)

ArakadiaApr 28, 20192 votes

They hate him because he has way more potential to kill you then normal supports. Not because he's a deviation from normal support thematic design.

Abibyama IIApr 28, 201912 votes

But when Riot does create an original champion that is not a copy paste champion, everyone loses their mind saying shit like "breaking the absolute rules of the game".

https://media.giphy.com/media/AVpE6BqnOvbzi/giphy.gif

Josh SandApr 28, 20192 votes

Yea the problem is that Riot only does that with Assassin and Fighters and Bruisers. You will never see a support impact the game in the same way that a Yasuo or Akali does.

FSRERApr 27, 201910 votes

Isnt overloaded? That is yet to be seen. All we know is her abilities and we have a trailer. From trailers you can't assume anything. For example, Did we know that zoe would have been a 1 shooting piece of shit from the trailer? No, so, we don't know

Moody PApr 27, 20199 votes

Yes, I can do better

The EcdysiastApr 27, 201920 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oMp9Kyjo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-27T16:59:42.556+0000)

Yes, I can do better

The general theme of your "better" ideas:

Champion: Lugg the Jugg manaless

Passive: instantly heals 100% while not in combat, or on unit kill Q: cleaves enemies in a 9,800 radius circle, dealing 400% total AD on the blade but only 200% total AD at the handle (inner radius of 250) W: passively grants 99% tenacity, active becomes invulnerable for 0.25s, takes 90% reduced damage for the next 3s. (as a show of skill) E: pulls all enemies within 9,700 units towards Lugg, slowing them by 60% and reducing their armor by 300. (fair because he'll have to move closer than his Q range to do it, and he has relatively low movespeed) R: Attempts to execute target enemy recently hit by Lugg's Q, deals 9999 Pure damage if the target is below 50% health. Successful executions refresh the cooldown.

Moody PApr 27, 20192 votes

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The EcdysiastApr 27, 201911 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oMp9Kyjo,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-04-27T17:17:14.364+0000)

I get it buddy playing around immobile melee is too difficult for you. No need to repeat it to me in every reply lol

Yep, there you go. That, "I'm so good for playing these champs but please buff them because I can't handle teams," thing you do.

Düff McWhalenApr 27, 201914 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oMp9Kyjo,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-04-27T17:12:21.576+0000)

The general theme of your "better" ideas:

Champion: Lugg the Jugg manaless

Passive: instantly heals 100% while not in combat, or on unit kill Q: cleaves enemies in a 9,800 radius circle, dealing 400% total AD on the blade but only 200% total AD at the handle (inner radius of 250) W: passively grants 99% tenacity, active becomes invulnerable for 0.25s, takes 90% reduced damage for the next 3s. (as a show of skill) E: pulls all enemies within 9,700 units towards Lugg, slowing them by 60% and reducing their armor by 300. (fair because he'll have to move closer than his Q range to do it, and he has relatively low movespeed) R: Attempts to execute target enemy recently hit by Lugg's Q, deals 9999 Pure damage if the target is below 50% health. Successful executions refresh the cooldown.

You over exaggerating is pretty cringe....

stealthstyle75Apr 27, 20199 votes

You're right, Yuumi isn't a Sona clone. She's an upgrade lulu that's stuck at bot lane forever.

iiGazeiiApr 27, 20197 votes

And I don't really see why people are saying that these abilities are so so similar.

Yuumi's ult is nothing like Sona's ult. Sona's is an AoE stun. One shot. Yuumi's ult is wider, and continues to pulse in the direction she cast it in. It's a root, not a stun.

Rakan's E shields his teammate each time he casts it, and he has other positioning-based abilities that allow him to be crazy mobile with it. Yuumi doesn't shield her ally with her W, and she just kind of glues herself to them. This is one of the most unique parts of her kit.

Her Q being able to be guided by your mouse is a completely new mechanic to League that only works because she doesn't need to use her mouse to move.

Her heal is just Kayle's heal, I can't really defend this one. It might be a burst of decaying movespeed and the numbers might be different, but it's a heal+speed boost for her or a teammate. Not much else to say.

Yuumi has one of the most mechanically unique kits in the game. Functionally, she's similar to many other enchanters, but she does it like no other champion.

Beacon AcademyApr 27, 20193 votes

Yuumi's ult is nothing like Sona's ult. Sona's is an AoE stun. One shot. Yuumi's ult is wider, and continues to pulse in the direction she cast it in. It's a root, not a stun.

Its what Neeko's ult is to Nunu's. Yuumi's ult is the delayed mobile form of Sona's ult

Yuumi doesn't shield her ally with her W, and she just kind of glues herself to them. This is one of the most unique parts of her kit.

Her passive provides the shield when attached. In fact she provides bonus AD, movement speed, healing, and shields while attached (Depending on whether the wording "until it breaks" is literal or not).

Not to mention her Zoe-like Q (Except controllable with mouse) can also be launched while attached.

Her Q being able to be guided by your mouse is a completely new mechanic to League that only works because she doesn't need to use her mouse to move.

Depending on the range (Which can be assumed to be decent to long as damage increases with distance) this will be problematic because a mouse can move more easily than a dodging champion in terms of readjusting flight paths.

Don't get me wrong, I am excited to see a Jhin + Full AP Yuumi bot lane.

Like, Imagine Nasus with an undying support being with him

Hell, someone out there may even make duo jungle viable with laners strong at 1v2 to cover for bot lane

The EcdysiastApr 27, 20196 votes

Yeah, lotta people who don't understand that the designs have to abide by certain mechanics complaining that she's not original.

If originality were an issue, then there would only be 1 champion for each class.

Ionian VulpixApr 28, 20196 votes

Clones is an offensive term. Please use the politically correct "Echo Fighters" instead.

Groove CrusaderApr 27, 20195 votes

Remember Aatrox is literally Riven

Sir SaltarinApr 27, 20198 votes

Remember that he isn't

KazekibaApr 27, 20194 votes

How? 3 AOE slashes, last being a slam with knockup CC A small forward dash with durability on cast Transformation ~~jutsu~~ Ult. The only difference is the passive, though both empower autos after hitting Q, Aatrox has a long CD. He has a LOT more common with Riven than ... himself.

WimbledofyApr 27, 20193 votes

1 aoe line slash that knocks up, 1 aoe sion Q looking thing, and then 1 aoe slash that is similar to riven's final Q. None of Aatrox's Q's move him. Many champs have CC so that means nothing. He gets no durability on casting E so that's blatantly false. Ult way more similar to Allistar's and Zileans than Riven's Aatrox passive isn't activated after hitting Q, the cooldown on it is reduced after using any ability. You really used some crazy mental gymnastics to even try to compare it the way you did.

EROTIC RAID BOSSApr 27, 20193 votes

i mean, have you ever played either of them, because they feel nothing alike. its akin to saying Lucian and ezreal are the same, or Camille and warwick

Daddy AntsApr 27, 20194 votes

Kaisa is an easier version of Vayne

Blitzcrank is an easier version of Thresh

Talon is an easier version of Zed

Minimac2000Apr 27, 20193 votes

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Uhhhhh, other way around Thresh is a way easier, more forgiving version of Blitzcrank . Look at pick rates it's obvious because one of them isn't useless for 10 seconds after they both miss hook Started the game maining both champs. Mechanically... maybe you are right, but thresh takes coin now anyway so most of his skill expression is down the toilet. Usefulness-wise, not a chance

Power MacApr 28, 20191 votes

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Uhhhhh, other way around is a way easier, more forgiving version of . Look at pick rates it's obvious because one of them isn't useless for 10 seconds after they both miss hook Started the game maining both champs. Mechanically... maybe you are right, but thresh takes coin now anyway so most of his skill expression is down the toilet. Usefulness-wise, not a chance

I totally agree with you, as a Blitz main. I love Thresh because even if he misses his hook, he still has his W and E to help his allies or push the enemies away. And his R is great both for engaging and saving your buddies (especially combined with Zeke). Blitz, on the other hand, is way more aggressive: you cannot fail your hook, otherwise you can just try and escape or hope that muting your opponents with your R will be enough. Actually, his whole kit is centered around his Q: W to run towards them, E to stun them after landing your hook, R to finish them off if need arises. I prefer Blitz and I actually believe they're quite different champions, but if I had to say who's harder to master, then it's definitely Blitzcrank.

Madjack01Apr 28, 20191 votes

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I totally agree with you, as a Blitz main. I love Thresh because even if he misses his hook, he still has his W and E to help his allies or push the enemies away. And his R is great both for engaging and saving your buddies (especially combined with Zeke). Blitz, on the other hand, is way more aggressive: you cannot fail your hook, otherwise you can just try and escape or hope that muting your opponents with your R will be enough. Actually, his whole kit is centered around his Q: W to run towards them, E to stun them after landing your hook, R to finish them off if need arises. I prefer Blitz and I actually believe they're quite different champions, but if I had to say who's harder to master, then it's definitely Blitzcrank.

I think this is a bit a discussion of semantics (as in what easy means).

Blitz is definitely and without a doubt easier to play than Thresh. Simply because his options a way more limited and straight forward. On the other hand it is as you say that it is not as easy to do well with Blitz as it is with Thresh because Blitz is almost entirely depending on a predictable skill shot whereas Thresh has options.

Power MacApr 28, 20192 votes

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I think this is a bit a discussion of semantics (as in what easy means).

Blitz is definitely and without a doubt easier to play than Thresh. Simply because his options a way more limited and straight forward. On the other hand it is as you say that it is not as easy to do well with Blitz as it is with Thresh because Blitz is almost entirely depending on a predictable skill shot whereas Thresh has options.

Absolutely right, you couldn't have said it better: Blitz has an easier but more punitive skillset, while Thresh's kit is more difficult but leaves you multiple paths open. I, for one, have a harder time with Thresh because I'm accustomed to a faster grab (not only Blitz, ma Nautilus' pseudo-hook is definitely faster too) and often fail to calculate or predict my opponents' movements!

NaughtyWordApr 27, 20194 votes

I think Morgana and Lux are very similar in terms of play (midlane). Morg's got better wave clear and shield, but lux gets the better ult. However their play style is very very similar.

Part of the reason I play a sitting duck like Ashe is I find her to have a unique feel, at least among ADCs. Crit is nice, but not must have, so it allows you more freedom in itemization. CC is just build into her auto's and the all-map ult allows you to look really cool from time to time when you snipe someone from across the map.

Unpopular opinion:

Varus and KogMaw feel very similar to me in play as well.

DalekZecApr 27, 20194 votes

The main point everybody is supposed to know is that a game like League, you can't expect to make champions so unique with literally nothing in common. 140+ champions, let's assume each with 5 unique abilities (passive + QWER), that's 700+ abilities Riot has to make different from the other and for such a number in order to be so unique is just impossible. It'll require a miracle to even reach like 100 to begin with.

And the fact there are actually people who think like all "oh you copy bla bla bla!" is so delusional that they probably shouldn't even play League.

What a champions requires to become unique is just that 1 element that will make the champion original.

You want unoriginal shit where your complaint is actually valid? Looks at mobile legends. Look at that shit.

ModAcademy KaynApr 27, 20194 votes

The same thing happened with Jhin, the same thing happened with Sylas, and we're gonna keep seeing the same thing.

BlushingFaerieApr 28, 20192 votes

Well, I for one absolutely love her concept and design and can't wait to play her. I'm doing what I can to earn enough BE to instabuy her.

Jennifer420Apr 27, 20191 votes

from the trailer, things i saw was the kayle passive (waves with aa) the rakan e (jumping to an ally) and thats about it. i didnt even see anything about sona lol.

hrooza dota Apr 27, 20194 votes

the waves were not AA they were her ulti

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/yuumi-abilities

here are her abilities if you missed it (tho no idea what the numbers are)