So I tried WW jungle for the first time...

Drugoth··1 votes·760 views

Huge disclaimer. I'm not a jungle main, i'm a support main.

So I figured I would practice jungle a bit the other day because I needed a break from constantly supporting. So I thought to myself who is a relatively easy jungler mechanically with good sustain? The answer: Warwick.

Boy, was I wrong as hell. Sure the killing of the jungle monsters themselves was easy. It was everything else that was hard as hell! Never have I felt more useless in my life... Running straight at people and getting chain CCed to death over and over again. The few times I did get a good ult off it was immediately made trivial because i instantly got focused. Enemy team was practically living in my jungle and feeding off of me relentlessly.

Thank God my teammates were nice and understanding and not toxic at all, even though we lost...

But seriously to all the Warwick mains out there I have a whole new respect for you. Warwick is hard as FUCK to play as.

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EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Riven Just dive him you useless idiot. Udyr Hmm, I suppose I'll just proxy this next wave to set up the dive. Riven But those are my--!! Udyr Oh, middle lane just disappeared; they must be coming to countergank. Udyr I should probably buy anyways. I'm sitting on quite a bit of gold. Riven Wait a----- Udyr Pleasure working with you. Riven ... Riven Fu---!!!

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Yeah, Warwick has trouble sticking to people without his ultimate and he can get kited rather easily during fights. I'd been considering picking him up recently, but I found that he wasn't of much use without his ultimate and didn't have a great impact on fights.

If you are trying to practice jungle, I would probably recommend you try the following champions: Amumu XinZhao Volibear Nautilus

They are all rather straightforward, relatively simple and impactful champions.

Depending on what types of supports you have played, you may find Nautilus rather intuitive (or already have experience playing on him).

Drugoth1 votes

Hey man thanks a lot for the advice. I'll definately try out Amumu. I'm pretty good at skill shots.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

If you have experience playing tank supports, Nautilus is an option I would recommend you try since he'd be rather familiar.

Drugoth1 votes

Nautilus is a really good one too, and I do have experience on him!

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

If it helps, I have some pre-written general jungling tips. It is a bit of a read, but I like to think it is helpful.

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Nightblue3, Stonewall008, Valkyrin, and foxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

  • Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.
  • Each of the smite buffs are quite useful in different situations. Be sure to take proper advantage of them.
    • Raptor's buff is great for ganking
    • Gromp buff provides extra damage during clears and fights, especially for champions with a lot of health
    • Krug's buff reduces the damage you take while clearing and lets champions without CC kill Scuttle Crab faster
    • Wolf buff is useful when you are being counter-jungled or invaded (or after your initial towers have fallen).
  • If you have a weak early clear, Krugs -> Raptor's -> Red Buff is probably the route that conserves the most health.
  • Kill the little Raptors and the little Krug first on single-target clearers. They deal a significant amount of damage for their health value, so you will be healthier if they die early.
  • If you think the enemy jungler will invade you early game, it can be safer to start on a buff camp rather than a little camp since you are less likely to be where they are looking.
  • Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).
  • Keep a pink ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

  • When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).
  • You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash on blink past you.
  • Use Raptor's smite buff to determine if you have been spotted by wards when ganking to reduce the risk of them escaping or receiving a counter-gank.
  • It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.
  • Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.
  • Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).
  • If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

  • Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.
  • Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).
  • When against aggressive early counter-junglers (i.e. Shaco) it can be a good idea to start on your buff camp and/or to start on a different side than you usually do. If he invades your buff, you've already taken it and/or you aren't there to be killed.
  • Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable
  • Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.
  • If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it
  • If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.
  • Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.
  • When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

lightdragoon882 votes

That jungling in a nutshell.

And don't get me started on people pinging for ganks every 5 seconds before you even finish your first full jungle rotation.

Drugoth1 votes

Yeah man from a 24/7 laners perspective jungling is SUPER hard. I always find myself super behind on levels and struggling to keep up with the enemy jungler/predict where he will be. I haven't the faintest clue where to be warding in the jungle too!

LappaDanielson2 votes

eh they are going to rework him soon, dont let one bad champ experience ruin it for you he has some great synergy with champs like ori, ballwick is life

Drugoth1 votes

Good point! Looking forward to what his rework brings. And delivering an Ori ult directly into the enemy team is ALWAYS satisfying AF

Matezoide2 votes

You arent supposed to initiate fights as Warwick.

Drugoth1 votes

Yeah, my bad. We had no other initiation on the team though.

Communist Toast2 votes

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Huge disclaimer. I'm not a jungle main, i'm a support main.

So I figured I would practice jungle a bit the other day because I needed a break from constantly supporting. So I thought to myself who is a relatively easy jungler mechanically with good sustain? The answer: Warwick.

Boy, was I wrong as hell. Sure the killing of the jungle monsters themselves was easy. It was everything else that was hard as hell! Never have I felt more useless in my life... Running straight at people and getting chain CCed to death over and over again. The few times I did get a good ult off it was immediately made trivial because i instantly got focused. Enemy team was practically living in my jungle and feeding off of me relentlessly.

Thank God my teammates were nice and understanding and not toxic at all, even though we lost...

But seriously to all the Warwick mains out there I have a whole new respect for you. Warwick is hard as FUCK to play as.

Jungle is one of the hardest roles I would think. it's also the most forgiving, if you are bad in jungle, and your laners are doing good, you would be fine in the lategame probably.

but a good jungle can easily turn a game around in your favor fast.

that being said, WW is pretty useless in ganking until level 6 or so. (although he is getting a rework)

LappaDanielson1 votes

try this, storm raider keystone, blood razer then alot of tank till you can get some more dmg, camp a lane with good kill potential, ult+redsmite (procs stromraiders) run them down

Drugoth1 votes

Honestly I sucked so bad at WW that I probably won't try him again. But thanks for the advice anyways.

Mordepool1 votes

I love Warwick because of 1 game back in season3. We got a bot lane duo rage quit after 1st blood. 3v5. My team told me game was over. I said no. Bot lane came mid at lvl6. I convinced top to come down we. Had a 3v3 rumble in mid i got a triple we got Outer tower. Told Riven to push top hard after B. We took mid inner tower then went top to save riven got another triple i was possibly 5 lvls above the enemy team with 3/4 build. They pushed top while i solo'd baron and then we pushed for the win. Back when league was actually fun

Nogrim1 votes

i play my warwick S-wick a fair amount. early ganks can be tough. skill order should be Q>E>W the attack speed isnt useful beyond the first point (taken firsts to speed jungling.) for the first half of the game but vision and speed are great at solving the issue you describe.

flash/ulting is essential to close the gap and get on your victim. when it comes to team fights you are best off waiting in the wings until your e's passive gets triggered and you get the move speed buff, this is also about the time they start running away from you instead of at you to pile on the CC.

early game you need to think like a wolf and go for the smart kills, i think the biggest challenge with Warwick is keeping your appetite in check and not getting too greedy, i find when i get greedy the above scenario is what i end up forcing myself in to.

Requiemsfire1 votes

I am also a support main and have played numerous jungle champions in the role. Looking back at my first Warwick game I can safely say I won't be playing him unless he gets reworked. He is so reliant on his high CD ult that you can't really do anything without it except scare people off. Is he weak? No. Is he OP? Of course not? Is he boring? I'd say so.

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