I like how Shen got instanerfed as soon as he hits meta, Yet we buffed lee sin.

Rivuo·Oct 21, 2016·32 votes·1,295 views

http://www.lolking.net/champions/shen

His statistics are literally going the same path as Kalista.

41 Comments

KrullyOct 21, 201612 votes

bruh lee sin is THEE star of wurlds bruh and has been underperforming so riot gotta buff their main man, ya get me, buff the poster boy of lcs big plays bruh, u see tht shit when he ward hops and ults u back ?! THAT SHIT IS DOPE

windwolf777Oct 21, 20166 votes

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bruh lee sin is THEE star of wurlds bruh and has been underperforming so riot gotta buff their main man, ya get me, buff the poster boy of lcs big plays bruh, u see tht shit when he ward hops and ults u back ?! THAT SHIT IS DOPE

TL;DR Version: LEE = LC$BIGPLAY$

JorenciceOct 21, 20162 votes

Is he really though? I havent seen lee in actual torunaments in years.

RequiemsfireOct 21, 20166 votes

Did you even watch Worlds? Lee was a highly contested pick where players like Svenskeren in TSM vs RNG would play like an absolute monster or at late game where Meteos would land that one kick that would win C9 the game.

JorenciceOct 24, 20161 votes

And yet hes still nowhere near as pick/ban as rek sai and i dont see anyone complaing about her.

RequiemsfireOct 24, 20161 votes

I saw Lee waaay more than I saw Rek'sai at Worlds :l The only times I saw Rek'sai was when the rest of the top junglers were banned out Nidalee Elise LeeSin

JerulEonOct 22, 20161 votes

Watch game 5 of Rox vs Skt at worlds. Bengi the god himself makes amazing plays.

GULAG 4 UOct 21, 20166 votes

Seriously riot dump that fucking piece of shit called lee sin making it impossible to play immobile champs when the fucker is popular

TequilaZombieOct 21, 20165 votes

Let's be fair here. Lee Sin was sitting at a 50% win rate in Plat+ at 101+ games. This is 5-7% lower than any other champion who's not gutted to hell. I was actually very surprized when I saw it, as the average for that many games usually sits at 56%. So yeah, I kinda see why he was buffed.

Zero Skill TankOct 21, 20161 votes

You forgot a Kappa

TwinkieProOct 22, 20161 votes

People downvoting you for stating the cold hard truth. Of 192 champs and their played positions, jungle Lee sin is #150. People just need to be honest and say they are tired of playing against lee.

TequilaZombieOct 22, 20161 votes

Lee is annoying, but right now he's a sub par pick. All he has going for him in the late game is some hard to pull off initiation. Sure, early and mid (if his early was good) he's strong, but once late game comes his win rate drastically falls.

Zach xDOct 23, 20161 votes

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People downvoting you for stating the cold hard truth. Of 192 champs and their played positions, jungle Lee sin is #150. People just need to be honest and say they are tired of playing against lee.

I am tired of playing against Lee. Regardless of his actual win rate or current popularity, it's not as engaging to play against as I would imagine it is to play as.

It's one of those things where he does insane shit, and the only way to balance his insane shit is to shit on his numbers. Then when people make a complaint, people say we don't have a right to complain because his winrate is sub 50, or 49, or whatever the acceptable percentage is, varying from person to person. Like, he could be sub 40% because of numbers, it doesn't stop him from doing the insane shit he does.

CúchulainOct 22, 20164 votes

My issue with lee sin is that he can start his ultimate, cc'ing you by the way, and flash behind you to send you away from where he flashed. lol #skill

TwinkieProOct 22, 20161 votes

Then why use his ult at all if 80% of the time it kicks you away? It also completely burns flash, which is a 5 minute cooldown to redirect an ability. Does this mean no more flash taunts or flash belly blasters from Shen and Gragas? Gragas can do a lee kick on 5 enemies at once, and it's ranged.

Zach xDOct 23, 20162 votes

I don't really think there's much comparison here, we're comparing a point and click ability to skill-shots. Not difficult to land skill shots by any means, but still being more difficult than clicking R. Gragas ult is even less of a comparison if you factor in that it has a travel time.

TwinkieProOct 23, 20161 votes

You can't call the dashes skillshots when you can literally flash onto the enemy to use them. They may as well be point and clicks at that point, not to mention they are basic abilities.

Clicking R? Isn't that what most ultimates are? Shen basically does that. Lee Sin has to aim his ult. How many times have you played with or against lee sin just to have him kick you into safety? When does a taunt or body slam do that?Gragas can E>Flash>ult for the same effect as a lee R>flash. The travel time is negligible when the enemy is stunned and it barely flies behind them, not to mention it can effect 5 enemies without any caluculations. Just throw it in between them.

TyroneWatermelonOct 21, 20161 votes

Because lee is a high risk high reward,without global shield and autoattack blocking.

DivewingOct 22, 20166 votes

High risk? Low cooldown dash(es), self shielding, built in sustain, tiny cooldown knockback with collateral cc? Yeah I can see how risky Lee is to play.

In other news, Azir jungle is a great starting point for people completely new to League of Legends

TyroneWatermelonOct 22, 20162 votes

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High risk? Low cooldown dash(es), self shielding, built in sustain, tiny cooldown knockback with collateral cc? Yeah I can see how risky Lee is to play.

In other news, Azir jungle is a great starting point for people completely new to League of Legends

And that's sure thing that Lee sin will hit his sanic wave on a squishy in a teamfight right? Even his ganks are garbage if you can sidestep his Q. Besides,Lee sin brings nothing but pure damage and reliant on snowballing,meanwhile Shen can shield an ally,taunt a group of enemies,free dodge for his team,all that while being tanky and still dealing damage.

I'm not the one to defend Lee sin,I may play him a lot but I'm not a dedicated fanboy,overall I think Lee sin is very toxic and should be reworked(there was a proposed rework by Riot but the braindead community went apeshit),but the difference is huge between semi assassin mobile Diver,and a tank with utility that no other champ got,still dealing decent damage.

DivewingOct 22, 20161 votes

I'm not going to bother arguing with a guy who uses skillshots as validation for a champion being difficult, then ignores them for another, simply to prove his point.

TyroneWatermelonOct 22, 20161 votes

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I'm not going to bother arguing with a guy who uses skillshots as validation for a champion being difficult, then ignores them for another, simply to prove his point.

Dependency =/= difficulty.

DivewingOct 23, 20161 votes

Shen long cooldown taunt is a skillshot yet you pretend that landing it is a guarantee, then give me some bullshit about lee is risky because the short second cooldown skillshot is hard to land.

TyroneWatermelonOct 23, 20161 votes

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Shen long cooldown taunt is a skillshot yet you pretend that landing it is a guarantee, then give me some bullshit about lee is risky because the short second cooldown skillshot is hard to land.

Shadow dash is definetly easier to land. 6 sec cd with 40% cdr isn't that high

DivewingOct 23, 20161 votes

Do the Shens you play with get max CDR? What a luxury... mustn't need the tank stats that much

Need Gold 4 TentOct 23, 20161 votes

Actually, I do. It doesn't really sacrifice the tank stats too much, only the issue with wasted mana. IBG+Visage makes it very easy to hit 40% (I run 10% as a standard in all my rune sets), and IBG isn't a bad item on Shen considering his cooldowns are short enough to be a sheen user. That being said, sheen weaving with Shen takes skill to manage his cooldowns to coincide with the sheen cd and his energy regen.

DivewingOct 23, 20161 votes

Oh so you actually take IBG? I confess I haven't done that myself but I've almost always considered it. So it works?

Need Gold 4 TentOct 24, 20161 votes

It does, but do note that he is, as an energy user, a lot less forgiving than a standard mana-using sheen user in the sense that if you spam mindlessly hoping for a random proc here and there between spams cough Evelynn cough, you'll waste the few precious procs he can get with spellweaving, since he can barely manage about 2 rotations at max CDR before you run dry.

That being said, having his ult on a 72s cooldown, with some waveclear is something I find very useful for splitpushing.

Ravenous HowlsOct 27, 20161 votes

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Actually, I do. It doesn't really sacrifice the tank stats too much, only the issue with wasted mana. IBG+Visage makes it very easy to hit 40% (I run 10% as a standard in all my rune sets), and IBG isn't a bad item on Shen considering his cooldowns are short enough to be a sheen user. That being said, sheen weaving with Shen takes skill to manage his cooldowns to coincide with the sheen cd and his energy regen.

Max CDR is kind of bad on energy gaited champs. I find 20-30 ideal with maybe 25 as being the best. I run shen with scaling CDR blue and usually just get SV as an item with CDR.

Need Gold 4 TentOct 27, 20161 votes

It is, if you don't control your energy usage. Sometimes you might need to E twice within a short period, which also means you probably can't Q. But at the very least, the option to do that is there if needed. That being said, If you're just using Q (without anything else when farming or dueling), you have just enough regen to literally have it on permanently at 40% CDR.

Ravenous HowlsOct 28, 20161 votes

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It is, if you don't control your energy usage. Sometimes you might need to E twice within a short period, which also means you probably can't Q. But at the very least, the option to do that is there if needed. That being said, If you're just using Q (without anything else when farming or dueling), you have just enough regen to literally have it on permanently at 40% CDR.

Very true but I think it is pretty easy to lose track of your energy sometimes in a big skirmish and if you have nothing around you to Q and get energy back it makes it even more difficult even with 40% CDR. But having your ult on a 72 second CD sounds pretty nice. =)

Ravenous HowlsOct 27, 20161 votes

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Shadow dash is definetly easier to land. 6 sec cd with 40% cdr isn't that high

Not it's not and it's range is definitely not nearly as long as Lee's Q not can Shen land his taunt outside of vision without burning his flash...

SwiftKitten88Oct 22, 20161 votes

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And that's sure thing that Lee sin will hit his sanic wave on a squishy in a teamfight right? Even his ganks are garbage if you can sidestep his Q. Besides,Lee sin brings nothing but pure damage and reliant on snowballing,meanwhile Shen can shield an ally,taunt a group of enemies,free dodge for his team,all that while being tanky and still dealing damage.

I'm not the one to defend Lee sin,I may play him a lot but I'm not a dedicated fanboy,overall I think Lee sin is very toxic and should be reworked(there was a proposed rework by Riot but the braindead community went apeshit),but the difference is huge between semi assassin mobile Diver,and a tank with utility that no other champ got,still dealing decent damage.

they are actaulyl LESS garbage than Nidalee ganks.. and everyone is crazy psychotic about them.

the reason why lee and nid are banne dand pick in lcs is.. becuase they are skillshot reliant and do heavy damage, when you pikc them with a team that can stun/snare/ root the enemy..it makes it braindead simple to land the skillshot. and IF that skillshot lands.. they generally will win the trade/ teamfight

agbudarOct 22, 20162 votes

implying that shen who has to dive in literally head first into danger without any reall means of getting out exept waiting for his Q cd. is not high risk.

TyroneWatermelonOct 22, 20161 votes

This is why Shen builds full tank and almost no one focuses him unlike Lee. Also his defense for diving is his built in shield and autoattack block.

PermabannedGarenOct 22, 20162 votes

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implying that shen who has to dive in literally head first into danger without any reall means of getting out exept waiting for his Q cd. is not high risk.

Shen builds full tank, has great tank steroids, and is statistically the second least likely top laner to die in the game (after Malphite).

That's the very definition of low risk.