I main Caitlyn, and if i go 4-0 on vayne, i will have a b.f sword and hurricane, while vayne will have stattik or phantom.. At this point when she presses R, she will gain (30 AD at level 1 )
Therefore i will only have a 10 AD lead on her from the 4 kills since 4 kills is what 300g each? = 1200g almost enough for a b.f sword.
Usually i'd have a cs lead but it ultimately depends on the support.
SwaggyMcGhee4203 votesI honestly think the invisibility changes were the biggest buff given to her. Being able to safely reposition every two seconds, then come out of invis with a huge crit is pretty op. Usually, you could put down a pink and focus her down, but not anymore.
Sona Ping2 votesI think the reason vayne is so strong, is because her ult voids any lead you have on her.
I main Caitlyn, and if i go 4-0 on vayne, i will have a b.f sword and hurricane, while vayne will have stattik or phantom.. At this point when she presses R, she will gain (30 AD at level 1 )
Therefore i will only have a 10 AD lead on her from the 4 kills since 4 kills is what 300g each? = 1200g almost enough for a b.f sword.
Usually i'd have a cs lead but it ultimately depends on the support.
That reason doesn't work. It's an ability, and not just an ability, an ultimate. Her's just happens to be through a steroid. An ultimate counts for a significant amount of power and your champion, whomever it may be, has one as well. Vayne's does not negate a lead. Draven can just press R and do massive damage. Are we going to say "Draven's not healthy because he can press R and gain more than 350+AD"? Or how about Lucian because his ult grants him the equivalent of 660+AD?
ZephyrDrake2 votesso she being able to gain AD for a small amount of time will negate your PERMANENT AD lead you have over her while her ult is down? yeah, that ult sure does negate things
Zelorxon2 votesYou have range, you have better waveclear, you can jump back with your net, you can net her, you can hide behind traps. So many options, and you decided to complain about something that's intended (outscaling).
Oh, you also have a support. you should have *cries
Rivuo1 votesYou have range, you have better waveclear, you can jump back with your net, you can net her, you can hide behind traps. So many options, and you decided to complain about something that's intended (outscaling).
Oh, you also have a support.
you should have *cries
This post has nothing to do with Caitlyn.... Replace The word Caitlyn with Any other adc name in my first post and you will reach the same conclusion.
Zelorxon1 votes
better wavecear and range/stun
pops her alive, also except draven, better waveclear
waveclear, intended being a scaling champion, attack speed steroid/poke even out the ad gain
even lane phase, better waveclear
doesn't have a build right now so don't even bother play
unrivalled waveclear
just afk farm and then afk push at lv7, don't even think about fighting/trading with your opponent
does good, similar powerspike as vayne
intended to be horrible early, a nightmare late
Once you're done with your lane phase, and when you reached lv7 you should start pushing and roaming/grouping, or keep splitting if there are reasons for that, if you try to keep slapping your peenus weenus on your opponent because feeling it bigger is more important than learning winning the game, please feel free to keep making these posts.
And most important of all: support.
-edit- Also personal protip, on corki, don't go cull, go flask and start trading aggressively, you will have around the same gold efficency and you'll be surprised by the results.
Kaioko1 votesI think that's a bit much to say that "her ultimate voids any lead you have on her." Yes it gives her 30 AD but it's also her ultimate. This means she doesn't have a giant bullet that you can fire from super far away, a giant crystal stun arrow or the mega rocket of death.
What's stupid on Vayne is the fact that her Q damage crits. It was lowered but honestly the bonus damage should not be able to crit.
Rivuo1 votesI think that's a bit much to say that "her ultimate voids any lead you have on her." Yes it gives her 30 AD but it's also her ultimate. This means she doesn't have a giant bullet that you can fire from super far away, a giant crystal stun arrow or the mega rocket of death.
What's stupid on Vayne is the fact that her Q damage crits. It was lowered but honestly the bonus damage should not be able to crit.
Yes you are correct. She doesnt have a giant bullet that you can shoot from super far away.
But Neither does Caitlyn. You are not going to press R in the middle of a fight, so either you use your ult to get poke damage before fighting or after the fight ( if you arent dead )
Caitlyn doesnt have an ult in a fight
Kaioko1 votesYes you are correct. She doesnt have a giant bullet that you can shoot from super far away.
But Neither does Caitlyn. You are not going to press R in the middle of a fight, so either you use your ult to get poke damage before fighting or after the fight ( if you arent dead )
Caitlyn doesnt have an ult in a fight
Of course not if Caitlyn had a huge nuke ability in fights she'd be extremely oppressive. That's the point of giving her free headshots on traps, nets, and every other auto after getting runaan. Every champion has their strengths and weaknesses - if as the longest range ADC in the game you manage to let the shortest range but best duelist ADC get to you and you're on your own, you deserve to die.
Rivuo1 votesOf course not if Caitlyn had a huge nuke ability in fights she'd be extremely oppressive. That's the point of giving her free headshots on traps, nets, and every other auto after getting runaan. Every champion has their strengths and weaknesses - if as the longest range ADC in the game you manage to let the shortest range but best duelist ADC get to you and you're on your own, you deserve to die.
We arent talking about Caitlyn. We arent talking about ANY adc except vayne.
Getting free 30-60 ad is not healthy because you cango negative but still be even in terms of gold...
Also stop saying vayne is the shortest range adc, because that would belong to Lucian and Sivir...
Kaioko1 votesWe arent talking about Caitlyn. We arent talking about ANY adc except vayne.
Getting free 30-60 ad is not healthy because you cango negative but still be even in terms of gold...
I mean you could get a free 85% of your auto attack damage if you catch an axe, or you can have 50 - 100% added if you attack a new person, or you can get an extra 20 - 40 AD along with piercing attacks and a lot more range, or you can gain 7% max health per hit and a bunch of range, and let's not forget all the attack speed boosts that are out there.
Most ADCs have some type of auto attack enhancer whether that'd be damage, range or attack speed.
Rivuo1 votesI mean you could get a free 85% of your auto attack damage if you catch an axe,
Implying draven doesnt have balance problems.
or you can have 50 - 100% added if you attack a new person,
A lvl 18 MF has the same ad growth as a lvl 3 kalista , Mf suffers from having the lowest AD as an adc.
or you can get an extra 20 - 40 AD along with piercing attacks and a lot more range, or you can gain 7% max health per hit and a bunch of range, and let's not forget all the attack speed boosts that are out there.
Most ADCs have some type of auto attack enhancer whether that'd be damage, range or attack speed.
Right ok all these adcs have some auto attack enhancer but supposedly a high skill capped champ has the highest playrate as an adc and a 52% win rate
Whom btw is supposed to be a late game champ.
Vayne obviously has problems, you have to be a joke or a very inexperienced player to say she doesnt. The problem is the free bullshit AD she gets for no reason
Also yeah, you are correct. Most adcs have some type of auto attack enhancer
Vayne has true damage as hers, and her Q tumble bonus AD, And her ult free ad, in other words she has too many auto attack enhancers
Kaioko1 votesWhom btw is supposed to be a late game champ.
Vayne obviously has problems, you have to be a joke or a very inexperienced player to say she doesnt. The problem is the free bullshit AD she gets for no reason
Also yeah, you are correct. Most adcs have some type of auto attack enhancer
Vayne has true damage as hers, and her Q tumble bonus AD, And her ult free ad, in other words she has too many auto attack enhancers
I never said she wasn't a problem I just argued that the AD on her ultimate is not the issue. She is getting a nerf next patch that is going to revert the buff she got in patch 6.17 therefore putting her back to where she was before she became problematic.
She'll have to go back to being a late game champ because the IE + Static shyv build is no longer going to deal 425% on tumble crits but instead 375% which is actually quite a noticeable drop. My argument is that much like Cait with her headshot crits, Vayne doesn't need to crit on her tumble which would reduce the damage to 300% instead on tumble crits. The power could then be shifted elsewhere to support the over time consistent damage dealing playstyle instead of the burst damage one.
Vayne Tumble (Q) bonus damage lowered to 30/35/40/45/50% tAD from 30/40/50/60/70% AD.
You're free to believe whatever you want however the tumble crit is what the Riot developers see as an issue as well as the majority of the community and also what has allowed her to spike mid game instead of late.
I will not bother arguing with you further after this as I see absolutely no point in doing so.
ChaddyFantome1 votesBroken champ player complaining about a broken champ. Funny.