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Swain's ult just feels bad, straight up.

Miudmon·2/12/2018, 6:21:20 PM·1 votes·305 views

I don't understand why they made the ult weaker while still putting it on a higher cd.

The damage, as is stands, sits at 35 / 50 / 65 (+ 14.167% AP) per second.

Compare that to pre-rework, with a far lower cooldown of 20 seconds, dealing 50 / 70 / 90 (+ 20% AP) damage per second.

While the heal, in comparison, isn't that much worse, contrasting the current 15 / 30 / 45 (+ 16% AP) to the pre-rework ult 20 / 30 / 40 (+ 12% AP), the real issue lies in how weak the minion healing is, too, essentially being from 3/6/9 instead of 8/11/13. doing this 3 times per second adds up.

And all that weakened effect for a 6 times the cooldown, which is at a static 120 sec cd.

The least that could be done, IMO, is to at least raise the minion healing and damage back to pre rework level.

I am aware of demonflare being a thing on top of it, but i think that the increased cd more than makes up for it. speaking of which, i really think that should go down a bit per ult level, too. maybe like 120/110/100 at the very least.

3 Comments

InTheory2/12/2018, 6:34:20 PM1 votes

The damage, as is stands, sits at 35 / 50 / 65 (+ 14.167% AP) per second.

Compare that to pre-rework, with a far lower cooldown of 20 seconds, dealing 50 / 70 / 90 (+ 20% AP) damage per second.

You forgot to add up the Demonflare damage which is (at 5 soul fragments) 225/300/375 + 135% AP as AOE

While the heal, in comparison, isn't that much worse, contrasting the current 15 / 30 / 45 (+ 16% AP) to the pre-rework ult 20 / 30 / 40 (+ 12% AP), the real issue lies in how weak the minion healing is, too, essentially being from 3/6/9 instead of 8/11/13. doing this 3 times per second adds up.

Upon casting Demonic Ascension, you gain 150/275/400 bonus Health immediately even if you are on full health.

Your information are straight up incorrect, sorry.

Nyloaf2/12/2018, 6:57:32 PM1 votes

Yeah, his ult doesn't feel that great imo, I was excited for the rework but I'm quickly losing interest tbh

DeathBurst2/12/2018, 7:39:11 PM1 votes

You can't compare just the old R to the new R. You need to compare the kit as a whole. Have you seen the damage you can output with Q now, compared to before?