One of my biggest pet peeves is seeing people complain about a champion being broken/op because they one-shot a champion, or were able to tank a couple champions for some time, and they completely ignore the fact that those champions are quite fed.
Obviously there are some broken champions in the game but saying every champion is broken when they're just fed is ridiculously annoying.
WolfChases34 votesPeople usually say BS. A lot of them are gonna say how underfed Rengar oneshot them while in fact, let's test it right now in a custom game. Ill play rengar with one single item + boots and you play whatever ADC with an item or two more + boots and let's see who's ass is gonna burn. In the other hand, if I am a fed Rengar with finished core and you are Ashe with 100 CS 4/9/2 having 1 and a half item....stop fucking bitching if I deleted your solo ass pushing bot from the face of the rift. It's not that Rengar is Op, it' more like that you are a small slice of a fresh meat that accidentally fell from the butchers table and noone noticed it so there was some Cat that took it and is now licking its muzzle.
Rivuo2 votesPeople usually say BS. A lot of them are gonna say how underfed Rengar oneshot them while in fact, let's test it right now in a custom game. Ill play rengar with one single item + boots and you play whatever ADC with an item or two more + boots and let's see who's ass is gonna burn. In the other hand, if I am a fed Rengar with finished core and you are Ashe with 100 CS 4/9/2 having 1 and a half item....stop fucking bitching if I deleted your solo ass pushing bot from the face of the rift. It's not that Rengar is Op, it' more like that you are a small slice of a fresh meat that accidentally fell from the butchers table and noone noticed it so there was some Cat that took it and is now licking its muzzle.
Meddler said it himself. Rengar doesnt need to be fed to murder anyone.
I remember one time i was full tank darius not even black cleaver, i had 350+ armor.
A full AD rengar murdered me in about 2-3 seconds of straight autos.
Fuck that champ. Rengar is busted as fuck.
WolfChases1 votes^ Exactly. 
did not need to get fed in order to murder you few patches ago when literally noone had anything to properly counter AD assassins. But in the current state of a game, both, and 
really have to get fed in order to dominate or assassinate someone fast enough.
With 
being played on a mid lane It's really not easy for an assassin to assassinate one of them. Same goes for bot lane since ADC's are a bit over the edge right now often being in pair with a beefy hard CC support.
The only lane assassins can a bit easily overtake (talking about assassin junglers) is Top lane, not due to their OPness but in fact, due to the poor tank stats and disgusting "Tank" masteries. Everyone is literally pooping on Tanks right now. Have you watched LCS last night? I think it was Roccat vs Milenium, the moment when 
used his ultimate, enemy 
body guarded his team and he literally got chunked down to 20-30% of his HP even tho his HP bar was full before ultimate and yes, It was a single ability of an ADC. Can you imagine what would that ADC do to a 1800 HP assassin or a mage, even another ADC. I am not saying is op, in fact, I consider him fine because he has his own pros and cons but so does , if he cant kill you or seriously cripple you once he uses his ultimate he's nothing but a melee squishy walking slice of a hairy meat and his ultimate have fairy long CD untill the very end of a game.
So, talking about tanks here, at this moment when game is all about raw damage is not something that should be considered as a valid point to prove how something is OP.
Bagguette1 votesI hate rengar because he burst you sooooooooooooo fast with 0 counterplay, at least kha'zix has some.
WolfChases2 votesSaying such stupidity is unreall. If Rengar bursts someone with zero counter play why isn't he a top tier pick from Bronze 5 to Challenger and why isn't he even considered as a pick or ban in LCS? Clearly because he isn't so good. The only thing Rengar can count on is the missplay of his opponent.
It's kinda easy to double Q an ADC whos not gonna flash and dodge emp bola and Kite Rengar because hell junp of a chair at the moment he sees Rengar.
Rengar is far beyond top tier and far far beyond the best assassin. He offers nothing to his team if he's behind comparing to for example Kha'Zix who has much much more utility and overall up to date versatile kit.
Tiot did not put Rengar to the priority list for Assassin rework because he's just to good, in fact, they put him there because he's a one trick pony who will either assassinate someone and walk around being squishy melee who doesn't have enough tankynes nor a sustained damahe to contribute to a teamfight or he we be plain useless if he is underfed. Literally the same reason bcause Talon and Akali are both in the same list with Rengar and I am kinda happy because of it. I am not worried about the changes because Statikk mentioned that assassins will still be assassins, the onlybthing I am worried about is will they keep their roles intact. As a Rengar/Kha main I would not be happy if 2 out of my 3 to go champions get rerolled to the top or a mid lane.
Bagguette1 votesDont care hes getting a rework enjoy it while it last 1 trick pony
WolfChases1 votesWait there's some kund of missunderstanding. I actually do not enjoy him being one trick pony, I like Rengar only because of his theme taken from AVP. I played him since release, same as Kha'Zix and Elise and Skarner because they are insects and I like Insects.
What I saw in Assassins reworh post from Statikk is that they are going to rework each one of them so they will be able to assassinate AND contribute to a teamfights instead of just assassinating and splitpushing so thwy will be better, not nerfed. I bet you aint gonna be happy with a rework if you hate Assassins. :)
Astôlfo1 votes"0 counterplay"
WolfChases1 votesYe whenever I see someone says "0 counterplay" I imagine a underfed 100cs at 35 min game ADC type of player with low MMR.
If champion is not considered top tier pick, if it's not considered a pick or ban in LCS and is not even removed from LCS there are obvious reasons for that, not a 0 counterplay.
HazyCloud75 votesPoor example because Rengar gives you no time to react or provide counterplay.
yay nibbers2 votesYou mean except for the exclamation point that appears above your head to warn you he's near on top the time it takes for him to actually jump on you? Zhonya's is a thing as well as pink wards and also this crazy thing called positioning.
HazyCloud71 votesNot every champion builds AP items. As for the exclamation point, a flash into range can significantly decrease the time that a champion will see that and alleviate that issue.
yay nibbers1 votesThe warning range is at least double his jump range, and that's his trophy enhanced jump. Assuming he has his enhanced jump, he has to move 725 units into range while Flash only takes him 425, he still has at least 300 units to move after flash and that's all assuming his target is standing perfectly still like an idiot. So there's still plenty of reaction time if you're attentive (read: not brain-dead). There's also the detail that he has to use Flash for this maneuver, something everyone has access to. You could just as easily Flash away when he jumps at you.
Not every champion builds AP, true, but everyone can build Guardian Angel, Sterak's or Randuin's. Pretty much any armor item will mitigate his damage, especially since Last Whisper or Black Cleaver aren't things he builds a lot. Funny how that works.
tl;dr: Learn to play better
HazyCloud71 votesA good rengar player wont need to move 300 units. They'll cast empowered bola for the CC and you wont get a chance to react after they flash. Assuming you play rengar, I'd figure you already know that though.
Yes, every champion can absolutely build steraks, GA, or randuins even though doing so as a carry is a major sacrifice to your damage. And they a sizeable gold investment. Have fun building randuins as an adc when you have to deal with a fed rengar and you have T2 boots and a zeal item complete. Tanks will be able to outright ignore you if you do.
Astôlfo2 votesI suppose the bright ! mark over your head when he gets anywhere near isn't enough time for a pink. Or Zhonya's. Or you know, just sticking with your team so he won't dive you (unless he's an idiot or your team is just a failure).
manbearswine21 votesSee thing is: broken champions have this slight tendency to get fed.(Obviously not saying every fed champion is broken, but there's a correlation there)
Reconnected4 votesSee thing is: broken champions have this slight tendency to get fed.(Obviously not saying every fed champion is broken, but there's a correlation there)
And then there are those champs who feel like they need to be fed just to be on par with everyone else in the game (like shaco lategame)
SpecterVonBaren15 votesDepends on how easy it is for them to get fed, even when the proper countermeasures are taken.
PiVoRx5 votesYea but how do you prevent 
from getting fed? They are overpowered in the way that it pretty easy to get fed with them.
DarkRitual9 votesKnowing how to play against them. A lot of it is just matchups, in LeBlanc's case. The other two, is the jungler predicting their paths and always being there to keep things even. If you know Rengar is going to 2v1 your toplaner, be there to counter and 2v2.
Against LeBlanc, don't pick a mid blind that gets obliterated by mobile champions. Then farm and press advantage when her abilities are on cooldown.
Limrick5 votesA counterpick is not viable counterplay. LeBlanc is more annoying than anything though.
DarkRitual8 votesA counterpick is usually a counter because their kit plays into the enemy's weakness. This often has to do with their play patterns working well with those weaknesses. Leblanc's assassin playstyle needs her to jump on top of the enemy, and if she is unable, she struggles to become fed. Picking someone who can farm from farther away forces LeBlanc to either not go for kills, or position much farther forward, and put themself at risk of ganks. Junglers who can snowball lanes early are good against the assassin junglers. If you can push turrets pre6, before Rengar and Kha'zix have access to their full assassin play pattern, you can negate their 1v1 strength by pressuring other lanes with higher numbers (of course it's more complicated than just that, but I don't think there's a need to get into further details).
Counterpicks absolutely provide adequate counterplay.
Limrick2 votesA counterpick may PROVIDE an adequate counter to a champion's strength, it is not inherently the same thing. A champion that has to be counterpicked (there is no such thing, just an extreme) to be defeated lacks counterplay. Also, if they pick after you, you're just shit out of luck, meaning counterpicks are also unreliable at best.
genya035 votesFull AP 
with 
will kill an ADC easily. But that doesn't mean he's broke. What's broken is this guy: 
Zane Zephyr5 votesFull AP malphite is fucking hilarious, I don't care what anyone says
Over Innsmouth1 votesVlad's far from broken, especially in his post-MYMU state. E actually has a cost now and can be minion blocked, at least half of your Q's will do minimal damage and minimal healing, and the healing from Rush only becomes more relevant the lower your health is, making it riskier for bigger heals.
He's slow, short-ranged and complete trash early. Everyone being bullied out at early levels by Rush are playing badly (read: incredibly passively) against good Vladimir's who know what they're doing.
I'll concede that his core fantasy (a health-cost sustainer who's sustain has no health costs) doesnt warrant for "true balance" until he gets a full VGU, but it's entirely unfair to say he's broken.
One could argue that Malphite's kit actually offers far less counterplay than Vlad, given how fast and effective his ult is even without building AP.
Altricad1 votesHis late game is much better tho. He doesn't have to build a whole lot of AP now and 
visage buffs put him at the top, only thing keeping him down is his skillcap like a certain shuriman pigeon
Over Innsmouth1 votesI'll agree that the SV changes were certainly great for Vlad, but he still gets outsustained by any asshole ADC with a Bloodthirster (which is less a problem with Vlad's design IMO and more an issue with how strong Lifesteal is with just one item).
Btw, what exactly do you mean by "keeping him down is his skillcap"?
WolfChases1 votesBlasphemy! How dare you to mention the sustain of our whinny bitching ADC lords?
Let me give you a lesson:
ONE : ADC, a "sustained" damage dealer IS supposed to rightclick you from the distance criting for 1000 and killing or pushing you out of a teamfight with 2 single AAs before you did anything to contribute that fight.
TWO : Assassin, a class whos supposed to quickly assassinate should do damage over time (Old Cassiopeia type of damage over time) and should not be able to have any kind of mobility or stealth because that's unhealthy for the game and there should be a support oriented item similar to a debuff so when Assassin jumps on the ADC support can activate the item on his whinny master so assassin will recieve 70/80/90% of the damage done to ADC on HIMSELF and die no metrer what.
Got it?
Double standards man.......double standards.....double sta...
genya031 votesA Vladimir can just go pure HP and never dies.
Over Innsmouth1 votesHis healing scales way better off building AP than it does for building just HP. Also a full HP Vlad will do next to no damage, especially since they reverted the passive number changes.
genya031 votesYeah. I agree.
chipndip14 votes"
just did half my health with barrels. Balanced champ!"
GP's current score: 7/2
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
notice me Sin pi1 voteshe's balanced. That's why he's a contested pick in LCS. He might actually be broken.
chipndip12 votes[{quoted}](name=SAO T1 Yui,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o2LXw1ns,comment-id=000c0001,timestamp=2016-08-05T18:55:16.692+0000)
he's balanced. That's why he's a contested pick in LCS.
He might actually be broken.
I think he's in a good spot. A strong spot, but it's not over the top.
Besides, champs like Ashe are strong LCS picks, but the boards have given me clear "lessons" on why she's "no big deal", so take that back where you got it from.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesChamps that don't lend themselves well as "yolo queue heroes" are often dismissed by the vocal majority on the forums. Ashe's immobility and delayed steroid makes her highly team reliant.
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o2LXw1ns,comment-id=000c000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-06T04:32:41.309+0000)
Champs that don't lend themselves well as "yolo queue heroes" are often dismissed by the vocal majority on the forums. Ashe's immobility and delayed steroid makes her highly team reliant.
Much like how GP can just poof up aoe DoT from anywhere on the map, Ashe can set up stuns from anywhere on the map. Sure, she doesn't split push or gank early, but if that's the only criteria we use for "strong champion", then why is it that Ashe and Jhin have been doing so well for all this time? Why did we take action nerfing Lucian when he was just a mobile adc, trading slows and snares for dashes (we can't even say early burst because it's not like Jhin can't do the same thing)? It's a lousy double-standard that devalues what champions give to a team simply based on what the thing is and not on the overall degree of which that thing is provided.
Unless you're somehow telling me every Ashe gets carried on a near 54% win rate?
Ariel the Cruel1 votesUnless you're somehow telling me every Ashe gets carried on a near 54% win rate?
No. I'm saying Ashe isn't likely to solo carry because she needs that front line. Champions like Vayne, Lucian, and Jhin who can self peel are often more popular on the forums and their perceived strength is artificially inflated by the forum community. Conversely, champions like Ashe, Anivia, and Varus who thrive in coordinated teams and don't play as well in yolo environments are often less popular and their perceived strength is artificially deflated.
Basically, the strongest champions on the forum can be defined as: "Who has the greatest potential to win without interacting with their own team." In LCS (and 5v5's in general): "Who has the greatest potential to win in a coordinated team."
The two interpretations often walk hand-in-hand, but not always.
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o2LXw1ns,comment-id=000c00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-06T14:02:28.069+0000)
No. I'm saying Ashe isn't likely to solo carry because she needs that front line. Champions like Vayne, Lucian, and Jhin who can self peel are often more popular on the forums and their perceived strength is artificially inflated by the forum community. Conversely, champions like Ashe, Anivia, and Varus who thrive in coordinated teams and don't play as well in yolo environments are often less popular and their perceived strength is artificially deflated.
Basically, the strongest champions on the forum can be defined as: "Who has the greatest potential to win without interacting with their own team." In LCS (and 5v5's in general): "Who has the greatest potential to win in a coordinated team."
The two interpretations often walk hand-in-hand, but not always.
Well, I mean I guess at least you get it, but I still don't like it. Still, Ashe is a significant outlier in this case because she's not just "Yolo queue weak, but coordinated strong". She's strong in both fields. Like, CLEARLY strong in both fields, but because she doesn't do flashy solo queue montage stuff, people undermine her strength in the game. It's stupid, and GD acts like they're so much better than G&B. Like, give me a break.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesIt's stupid, and GD acts like they're so much better than G&B. Like, give me a break.
GD is something of a mixed bag. They exist as the last remnants of the old forums. So sometimes they're reliable, sometimes they're. . . Something else. Only thing consistent there is their inconsistency.
Kingdom Corn2 votesSupposed to make his early game garbage that is how to stop him...
Getcuxcd3 votestheres some champs that dont need to be fed and still manage to do it easily - yasuo riven some champs are just so overloaded they start at level 1 like being **already **fed
Best Valor NA4 votesBut their weakness is, that if they don't get fed early they don't do so well mid/late game.
Getcuxcd2 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Valor NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o2LXw1ns,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-08-05T16:56:58.520+0000)
But their weakness is, that if they don't get fed early they don't do so well mid/late game.
first of all if they dont it means that they are bad and dont deserve to do well but it isnt even like that in the case of riven for example becuz she often gets back easily after being forced to farm under her turet by a hardcounter like teemo and win in the end anyways
YumScrumptious966 votesRiven is awful when behind, she's feast or famine unless you are a god at farming and just out cs the shit out of your opponent.
Getcuxcd2 votesRiven is awful when behind, she's feast or famine unless you are a god at farming and just out cs the shit out of your opponent.
no. that is a big exagaration made by bad rivens shes known for her safety and easy comebacks dont get it twisted, riven mains
Droogzy4 votesNot a Riven main, don't even have her unlocked. But if she doesn't become fed or goes even/behind in lane, she's terrible.
If she's not fed, then she can't reach your back-line unless she tries to flank you, which with proper wards, don't happen. Her most viable play pattern is literally running straight at you which usually leads to being blown up into smithereens if she's only even in CS/kills, much less if she's behind.
YumScrumptious962 votesDownvotes for the truth, its reddit all over again.
DEKInw3 votesunless theyre fed because they're op COUGH 
COUGH
Reck3rDragon1 votes with 
at level 18 and probably like 8/6/xy
"LOL WTF 1000+ TRUE DMG??? RITO PLS NERF OMFG"
Like what the hell, this guy is so easy to kite, but if he gets to your face, accept the friggen consequence goddamnit.