What is so bad about Dynamic Queue?

Best Valor NA·Jan 17, 2016·20 votes·10,021 views

There's hundreds of threads on why Dynamic Queue is killing league, oh how bad it is. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Is it the queue times? Riots working on fixing that.
Is it the fact that you have to pick TWO ROLES? Oh no, you have to pick two.. get over it, you can learn more then one role.
Is it the fact that you can play with up to 5 people in ranked now? I'm sure theyre working on a solution for matching making balancing.

Basically... IT JUST CAME OUT, GIVE IT TIME LOL. Y'all act like children.

41 Comments

RandomoniumJan 17, 201614 votes

People trolling if they don't get their primary role.
People getting smashed by 5 man premades when they are a bunch of solo queuers.
People getting the champion they wanted banned away because their teammates wanted to troll them.
Zero incentive for people to actually be decent at ALL roles in the game.
Zero incentive to solo queue anymore.

The whole point of ranked was that the best players who were good at ALL roles would naturally rise to the top. Now that people can premade it's much easier for people to get carried higher in the rankings than their ability level. Furthermore, the new dynamic queue rewards one trick ponies and players who can only play one or two roles. Finally, the system punishes people who want to go solo because there is a chance they will get put against a 4 or 5 man premade.

Vistha KaiJan 17, 20164 votes

Good this guy is getting downvoted.

There is completely no logical reasoning here.

RandomoniumJan 17, 20162 votes

Don't understand the downvotes for this guy either. He's clearly being sarcastic. He even put a /s at the end of the post.

Vistha KaiJan 17, 20161 votes

It seems more sensible people were late to the party, hence initial downvotes.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20167 votes

That obviously would happen before this, and it happens less I'm sure
They'll probably change this by taking out 5 man premades, or making it so 5 man premades vs. 5 man premades.
Don't show what you wanna play, it's NOT required.
Most people were one trick ponies anyways, most people primarily wanted 1 main role anyways.
The same incentive as before.. If you would play solo queue before then im sure you can still play solo queue now.

RandomoniumJan 17, 20167 votes

Surprisingly not because people with the old queue didn't EXPECT to get the role they wanted.
Key word "probably." People have every right to complain about it until it's changed.
That's a horrible answer. So what's the point of that part of the system then? My point is that it is poorly thought out and allows people to troll easily and there is no way to report them.
No, most people are not one tricks. Second, we shouldn't reward one tricks by making it easier for them to rise in ranked. There's zero incentive to be actually good with more than 2 roles now.
Except that now if you solo queue you get matched up against premades. Have you ever has 5 solo queuers go up against a 5 man premade with voice communication? It's a complete slaughter unless the solo queuers are WAY better than the premade.

Glad you completely disregarded the last part of my post too.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20166 votes

I don't believe you one bit lol.
True but I still feel like they should give Riot time to work on it.
I never said I liked the feature, I'm just saying there is a way around it. Some people will ban OP champions even if a teammate plans to play them due to their low pick order, and the fact that the other team could just pick it, obviously there will be trolls, but I'm sure some are justified.
What happened to everyone saying "(role) or feed", and you'd be surprised how many people only play role.
I'm sure Riot will be working on the balancing on the system. (See #2.)

And I didn't mean to disregard the last part of the post. I thought it was pretty much covered in the 5 points :b.

(ADD ON TO #4) Something else i just thought of. You don't see athletes playing every position in a football game, or baseball, or any game. They normally stick to 1 or 2 positions. Not everyone sees this as a sport but some people do, just thought I'd throw that thought into the mix. And obviously in sports you don't play with random but still. Just something to think about.

RandomoniumJan 17, 20168 votes

Doesn't matter if you believe me, its what people are experiencing and that's why they are making negative threads.
Your original post was complaining about people complaining. People have the right to give feedback on this so Riot knows they should change it.
Same as what I said with #2.
Yes there are people who play only one role but the vast majority of people play many roles. This is why many people are upset with the changes. Most people dislike one trick ponies or people who say "(role) or feed." The solution should not be to make it easier for those people to climb in ranked.
Same as #2. Just because "you're sure they are working on it" doesn't mean people shouldn't provide feedback and let Riot know what they don't like.

No, you really didn't cover it at all. Your whole argument is "let's wait and see" or "this was already a problem." I thought the point of a new system was to fix problems, not to keep the same problems and introduce new ones. That's why people are pissed: this system solves very few problems and introduces a lot more.

This isn't a sport, its a video game. Many people feel like the challenge of this video game is the ability to play multiple roles competently. I'll use a sports analogy since you used one: in MMA what makes a great fighter is someone who has mastered multiple martial arts and isn't just good at one or two things. A large amount of people feel like League should be the same way and they are upset that ranked League will require "less skill" than it did before. Those complaints are completely legitimate and its pretty disrespectful to dismiss those complaints as childish. Riot is forcing people into a certain playstyle and people are upset about it.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20164 votes

I was more directing the childish comment towards those who are saying theyre quitting leagueover this, and that this has ruined league completely for them, sorry for the misleading statement.

And after playing a few matches with the dynamic queue (few ranked/few normals) i had no trolls what so ever, no queue dodges, the queues were 10 seconds each, and the games were balanced. Obviously this doesnt prove much at all but i've had no problems with it at all.

I dont really have much to say anymore, this kinda seems to be going in circles/nowhere :b

RandomoniumJan 17, 20162 votes

Agreed that the argument has reached its end. I'll concede your point that people should chill a bit and wait (i.e. not quit league) and I hope you'll concede the point that there are a ton of valid reasons why people are worried or upset about dynamic queue in ranked and that they should be voicing this concern to Riot so that hopefully Riot will make the necessary changes.

AdonnaJan 17, 20162 votes

But people are quitting over this. A lot of the Challenger+ streamers I watch, can't even get into a game. It takes OVER AN HOUR to get a que pop only to then have the game go snowball and end in 40 mins (because of the gameplay changes). It's really broken. Either fix it or apply it only for Gold and below.

BlâckLotusFeb 4, 20161 votes

i have been playing league of legends for 4 years now,as a solo queue player i dont even feel like playing the game anymore i usualy get queued with 3 to 4 premades: 1.there is no communication whatsoever 2.if im adc the worst player of the premade is chosen by them to be my support resulting in a bad lane experience for me 3.i get flamed by 3-4 people 4.i get reported by 3-4 people 5.i cant play with my friends if they are silver and 1 of them is bronze 6. ranked team where we could playa s 5 despite our rank diference was disabled 7.there is no point in waiting for riot to fix anything the whole system is broken and a threat to the community

LatetotheRaceJan 17, 20161 votes

I feel like the second one isn't as important as you might think.

LawfishJan 17, 20166 votes

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There's hundreds of threads on why Dynamic Queue is killing league, oh how bad it is. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Try actually reading peoples reasoning.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20164 votes

Most of them have no reasoning.

Vistha KaiJan 17, 20164 votes

Wrong, you just refuse to acknowledge it, due to being biased.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20162 votes

No really, most of them don't have reasoning. It's just people ranting about how they're quitting league and shit. The ones that I have read, it's mostly about the match making with 5 people, and the problems with solo queue. I don't know why you're saying I'm biased, I understand that the matchmaking is bullshit right now but aren't they planning on fixing it up more? I just feel like people should be more patient rather then going and crying on the boards about how league is ruined now. Give it SOME time.

Vistha KaiJan 17, 20161 votes

Nothing they will do will make queue times shorter while preserving the idea behind dynamic queues.

Of course the first version of pretty much everything isn't ideal, but as is now, nothing is remotely good about the Dynamic Queue, considering initially the system was more liberate when searching for players and it still is giving people two hour long queue times.

ACTLMar 31, 20171 votes

yo mate! I know it has been a year, I had a blast playing Dynamic Queue and I understand all your arguments 100%, feels good to see someone who actually has reasoning behind his/her arguments!

AdanChristoJan 17, 20165 votes

I absolutely love the new .QUE, im getting extremely fast games but champ select is a bit slow and they can improve on that, but other than that it's great

AdonnaJan 17, 20161 votes

what elo are you? Must be Gold and below. Anything higher than that is getting 30+ que times, Diamond+ is getting up to an hour and Challenger+ sometimes doesn't even pop.

Void NargacugaJan 17, 20164 votes

I agree with you. I'm LOVING the new Dynamic Queue, and the loss of TB? Sure it was fun and I will miss it, but when you go against that one player who has 1000 wins because your team has one as well but they are in completely different roles really doesn't make the experience fun. I had that happen and I was against them in mid while ours was the support.

Heck if this Dynamic Queue becomes the norm for Ranked I will actually play ranked to see how good I am, and try to improve myself that way as well.

Vistha KaiJan 17, 20164 votes

Queue times? Lyte proposed changes that will only make(made?) them longer. Two roles? Why two? Why not three? Or four? 5 man premade in solo queue? Don't get me started at how idiotic it is to make 5-man premades possible in solo queue when there is already 5v5 DEDICATED queue.

Basically... It just came out, but if we will give it time Riot will say, "They don't complain so it's fine and we will leave it as is." Y'all act like you were born yesterday.

If you don't understand I recommend reading some books. They are said to expand your perception. Although admiting you don't understand something is the first step to enlightenment.

The Sword SaintJan 17, 20162 votes

I've been having a great time. I knew this was coming so I picked two roles (top and mid) to be my two lanes that I play seriously and then sat down and picked small handful of champions that I really really like to play, with special note give to ones that can reasonable go both lanes. I took that small list and started playing playing ranked the same way I would teambuilder - that is to say, because I knew I would get mid or top I could plan to practice and test my skill with those champions I picked before.

Now I always get to play champions I like and have triply less frustration: I didn't have to play a role I don't like, I find myself treating games as a learning experience more easily due to picking a small set of champs and getting to play them reliably like in teambuilder, and even when I get countered or otherwise have a bad lane I get MUCH less annoyed because I don't have that feeling of "damnit I have to fight and argue every champ select to get this role, who knows whens the next time I'll get to play who I want" which makes any bad lanes or lost games extra painful.

For example, I used to very often have to almost force my way into top lane or mid and because of that I always had this nagging feeling of "now I have to perform well or my teamates are going to flip their shit at 'letting' me have the role". Now I don't have to even consider that because not only did I get the lane I want, my teamates all got the lanes they wanted too - which means that noone is halfassing their lane with half their time focused on my play so they can jump in and shit talk me for taking 'their role' and not doing 'as good as they would have'.

It's just so much more relaxing to play ranked now that it's indescribable. Sure people seem to be 'trying harder' with their rotations and team play due to more and larger premades - but that just raises the level of play and it's not a bad thing. Que times seem pretty short for me as well, and I've yet to encounter anyone who 'trolls' because they got their secondary lane. If it ever happens I'll just report and not worry about it.

I had two games earlier today where a teamates either dc'd for the first 10 minutes or just fed literally 0/10 before they started doing anything useful. Somehow despite this being ranked, none raged and we all just buckled down and picked up the slack - we won those games. It's probably because the greater odds of larger premades means a greater chance that people who do bad have friends to back them up instead of raging plus the significant lack of the normal stress in ranked making it easy to brush things off.

GulaxJan 17, 20162 votes

I don't personally hate the new Queue but i really miss Team Builder. It allowed me to get exactly what I wanted without any arguments from other people. It was a fun way to try new things with friends.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20162 votes

Yea I'm not quite sure why they removed teambuilder.

TroiannJan 17, 20162 votes

It's not that I can't play two roles, it's what I want to play one role in normal games, and teambuilder allowed it.

Now I'm playing blind pick and instalocking unless I have a 4 man group to play the dynamic queue.

Best Valor NAJan 17, 20164 votes

Yea I'm all for bringing teambuilder back, I have no clue why they got rid of it.

Win1OcentJan 17, 20162 votes

Because it is pointless. It was made to promote fun with friends in ranked. Being able to climb together rather than alone. It is pointless and impossible.

Imagine this scenario. 4 friends start playing Leauge, they decide to go for ranked and group up as 4. After climbing to gold 5 they realize one of them can't compete at that level of play and are left with a tough decision, either kick that guy or not care about their rank and keep playing. They kick the guy because they actually do care about their rank. The 3 remaining players start climbing again up to gold 1, where they realize one of them can't compete at that level, so they kick another one. The duo now proceeds to climb once again. At platinum 1 one of them notice that the other player can't compete at that level so he decides to take the rest of the journey by himself and gets to diamond 2.

It would be a perfect system if everyone was evenly skilled, but we're not, we're all different. Some go on to become high elo players some stay silver or drop to bronze. It might promote friendship and fun games with friends for a while, but at some point you have to decide if you want to stick with your friends and have fun or if you want to focus on your rank. Those who choose friends, don't care about their rank too much and could just as easy play normals. Those who care more about their rank don't need friends to play with because the most important part is still their rank.

Also, it becomes increasingly hard to find a large group of friends to play with the higher you climb.

I think having dynamic queue available for bronze, silver and gold would be fine, most players hang out there, finding friends is easy and a lot of them don't care much about their rank. In platinum+ though, most players care about their rank, most of us don't need friends to play with.

Mr Dank TankJan 27, 20162 votes

I just hate how no matter whether I put mid as my primary or secondary I can just never get it item 3070

KorilloFeb 4, 20162 votes

The bad part about dynamic queue are mostly the points you listed. Just because they are fixing it doesn't mean it isn't bad at the moment. It is currently worse than the old way in which we queued, at least for ranked.

I have no doubt it will one day improve but if we didn't voice our dislike for the current system it might not improve at all, so it's unfair to call people out for hating on the dynamic queue.

Athenes LuluJan 17, 20161 votes

Especially as a support main myself, I don't have too much problems with it.

Mathmaking has been fishy since the beginning of time (like a team of 2 plats, 2 diamonds, and 1 gold against a team full of diamonds). people have been trolling each other with the pick intent, that's not new, people ban each other's mains anyways. "Extra long Q times"? It's BEEN a bug for a while anyways, just remake another Q. Two roles? Nah, when you have support in any of the choices, it counts as one :^)

The only problem is people not locking in. Though people just need to get used to that, so that's actually fixable.

Though replacing blinds with TB instead of removing TB is actually a great idea.

biobirbbyyJan 17, 20161 votes

5 people that have no synergy and average skill v 5 people that have amazing synergy and average skill

EDIT: I love the new Q. It is just that I've never played ranked when it came out.

Best Valor NAJan 19, 20162 votes

If you're talking about teaming up with 4 other friends, i think they're making it so that 5premades will be matched up with other 5premades.

TexasRaiderJan 18, 20161 votes

I used team builder to learn one specific role/champ and to get easier opponents doing it. Now I am forced to play something other than what I want once every 3 lobbies.

D33PSTAT3Jan 27, 20161 votes

I cant stand it. It takes a lot longer to get into games and the declaring of champs or having to lock in or dodge is....questionable. I dont think riot has ever heard of if its not broke dont fix it because Team Builder was better. Why didnt they just implement that system but for ranked I will never know

Orange FizzyJan 31, 20161 votes

My least favorite part is that although I select mid as my first choice of a role every game, I never get it. I've played about 10+ dynamic queues (league isn't a huge part of my life) and I think that I got mid only once. The only mid lane games in my match history are from that time dynamic queue went down. Kind of disheartening when you never get your favorite lane, but its probably because I'm silver

Penguin EclipseJan 31, 20161 votes

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Is it the fact that you can play with up to 5 people in ranked now? I'm sure theyre working on a solution for matching making balancing.

There is no real solution to this. The problem has existed for years in norms and will continue in draft queue.

J EpsteinJan 31, 20161 votes

I played my 1st game in the past month or two (whenever before this dynamic queue came out). Hopped on just now and got into a game. didn't know I had to lock in my champ after I already selected my champ, got a 5 minute wait penalty. nothing major, just a frustrating way to start off playing league again without knowing i have to lock in more than once.

CraigJan 31, 20161 votes

People are just expressing their opinion poorly. Allow me to better translate.

There are some people who plays games for the utmost competitive experience and others who play "for fun" (assuming that means more relaxed and less serious). Right now, all of the Seasons 1-5 veterans are used to that tryhard, competitive experience that the Solo/Duo Queue ladder provided them. They feel cheated and shortcut by a new system that empowers people for things outside of the game (like voice communication).

It's not that they think Dynamic Queue is ruining the game, they just think it's bad to completely replace good ol' Solo Queue with Dynamic. However, Solo Queue is scheduled to be released shortly. Dynamic Queue is a good system for replacing the 5s ladder. However, the most competitive players want to show their individual worth and mechanical skill on the Solo ladder.

Titanium70Mar 31, 20171 votes

Well - a few days ago I had an Idea, let's play a few games DynQ to Gold to get all Season Rewards, terrible idea!

ONE game in and one just4fun look at LoL-Nexus, i regret it.

Unranked, Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum AND Diamond players mixed into BOTH teams! Gamequality was (as expected) ~~horrible~~.. uhm wrong word... do you remember your pre 30 games?.. Like THIS!

Top enemy Cassio got FED AS FK against our Yorick
JGL Bard VS Teemo! Both useless, Bard never ganked, Teemo did.. but.. later
Bot surprisingly even - our Jinx got more kills but also died more often.. so... their Morgana was strong and kinda fed.
Mid, me an ex-Dia on his main VS a Bronze?Unranked? Annie and her best friend TeemoJGL. Yeah... no. I got FED as FK here. Buthery? Yes! Quality Game? No!

Result: It was me VS Cassio - who ever got the other first automaticly won the TF... in the end I stacked some MR, destroyed her and her 'Team' and our Jinx who finally got some Items as well could end the game.

So... I won a game and carried. Might be fun for someone but not for me especially since I get exactly the same thing by pressing Normal-Draft! And even Normal-Draft games feel ALOT more balanced!

I'd never ever DARE to seriously call this joke of a game-mode 'Ranked' that's hilarious, misleading and hurts the reputation of the real Ranks Ranked! It's just another NormalDraft and that's how I will treat in in future.