Why should I ever pick Vi over Camille?

Clapper of Asses·Nov 16, 2018·56 votes·18,719 views

What benefit does Vi have over Camille, cause the way i see it there are none. Legit question.

108 Comments

DeracadaVenomNov 16, 201848 votes

Vi is better at fisting.

Camille is to old anyway

WøOxerNov 16, 201812 votes

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Vi is better at fisting.

Camille is to old anyway

[sg-lulu]

saltranNov 16, 20183 votes

Caitlyn

Tomoe GozenNov 16, 20186 votes

Camille is better as scissoring.

LetMeCarry1983Nov 16, 201835 votes

Vi is a lot easier to play.

Clapper of AssesNov 16, 201818 votes

Yeah, but in the long run if you invest time in both, Camille will be more useful so why even bother with Vi?

The TrentNov 16, 20183 votes

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Vi is a lot easier to play.

This except also not this. In low elo, sure she's good. In high elo she'll get outvalued to hell and back and you will feel useless all game. Vi is nice if you can get the enemy team to concede or if you're entire team is snowballing. Camille is also nice in this situation though so... Vi is nice if your team doesn't make it to late game. Camille is nice all over. Even someone like me, who is just in gold, feels the power gap between Vi and Camille immensely. It's like Katarina. The higher you go, the worse she is. As a long time player, the only time Vi has been good is like back when there were more tank junglers so her slow jungler clear didn't matter as much. Even then you're outvalued and you're essentially using a small window of time to get your team ahead before Sejauni or Naut (because he used to be a jungler) hit 6. It's like Vi get's her R off and that's nice for picks and all, but in a teamfight it's actually pretty bad considering she can only target one person and trying to get to an ADC in a tank meta is a drag. Even when Vi was meta, it was less of that she was good and more like there were less things to deal with her. Like literally just play Poppy and watch Vi become completely useless. Current jungle meta feels like it's really focused around early game jungle trades at scuttle . Vi really can't duel anyone in this jungle meta except maybe Kayne, but Kayne is going to be probably full health with a smite up for scuttle because his jungle clear is insane, meanwhile you're going to be around half to 75%. Your base dmg is higher, but his clear was insane and he probably has a level up on you. She definitely can't duel Noct, Camille, Jax, Lee Sin, Rengar, etc. Like she's washed up. Kayle tier. Old Yorick tier. At most, a B, at the least a F.

MarshbouyNov 16, 201825 votes

Longer range, lock on ultimate, which is actually pretty powerful. It is also hard CC unlike camille's ult. More AOE on clear, maybe.

But yeah I see where you're going with this. They're pretty similar.

edit: armor shred

Clapper of AssesNov 16, 201813 votes

I feel like Camille's hook shot has longer range tho, since its 2 dashes. Then in terms of ult yeah Vi has cc but, it is so easy to get away from her after she blows it. As for camille's you are forced to fight back which is what she and Vi want. I guess you got me with the clear, but then again doesn't Camille build Hydra? Vi does have armor shred, but at the cost of having an actual ability, that thing is more like a passive.

Handy Sandy Nov 16, 20185 votes

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I feel like Camille's hook shot has longer range tho, since its 2 dashes.

One of those dashes is spent on a wall. If she's chasing you and trying to catch you out, Vi's better.

chipndip1Nov 16, 20188 votes

Cam also has a lock-on ultimate.
Vi's range on Q isn't that much of a boon in comparison to the range on Cam's E. The real benefit is that Cam needs a wall and Vi doesn't.
As far as their intended niche goes, Cam has better lock-down and better damage for those she locks down...which is really all that matters in this equation. If you need a cc bot, you wouldn't be either champ.

Bob the ToastrNov 16, 20184 votes

Lol Camille's hookshot is longer, and she also has a lockon ultimate.

yamacchiNov 16, 201811 votes

Her early clear is way better and healthier.

Other than that, nothing.

TerozuNov 16, 20187 votes

Vi has more aoe hard CC and can shred armor for her carry.

chipndip1Nov 16, 201838 votes

PFFFT.

And Camille just drops massive true damage on the target so they're straight half-way dead for the carry.

Not to mention she locks people in an arena so they can't escape.

Not to mention that the point of both champs is to lock down squishy, slippery back liners, which Cam does better.

Vi has no point to existing rn.

TerozuNov 16, 20182 votes

Okay how about this, they both get shields for fighting but Cams is target specific, Camille is essentially a more single target oriented Vi, they both have good lockdown of a single target but Camille has more counter play, her Ultimate gives the target leeway and doesn't deal damage, whereas Vi is focised on fucking everyone up.

So again, one is aoe fuck over everyone in her way, one is fuck over one person.

chipndip1Nov 16, 20189 votes

Vi's "aoe disruption" is fucking child's play. She doesn't aoe cc anything outside of a very minor knock-back for people that get in the way of her primary ult target.
Cam's shield is target-specific...for double the value (20% max hp vs. 10% max hp).
It's easier to peel Vi when Vi has to use her gap closer to...well...gap close the first time. Meanwhile, if Cam uses hers, her lock-down tool prevents escape outright.
Cam's ult provides bonus damage to the target while they're in it, while they can't escape, even with unstoppable moves. Sure, Vi's initial ult has damage on it, but it's only good for the upfront combo.

Vi doesn't provide much benefit in the early game if the Camille knows what she's doing. After that, Vi's play style falls all the way off and Camille's still useful. There's no point to picking Vi when Camille exists. Straight up.

IcyPepperNov 17, 20182 votes

Remember when people thought Vi was broken and OP?

YuGiHoNov 16, 20182 votes

no one has ever cared about that armor shred passive unless they are full ad team vs tanks and even then we have conquer now for bruisers and marksmen are no longer expected to carry a game

Sexy Jack RabbitNov 16, 20187 votes

Vi has bigger boobies. Wait... what's that? Camille has a skin with a giant rack?

Scratch that. Camille the new OG.

no to toxicNov 16, 20181 votes

Camille had bigger boobs even without skin smh

Sexy Jack RabbitNov 17, 20181 votes

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQjHN1jU2AfMunIXuk0Kty4CU2w767_PHLRtUSEbTcPc2CWRTj4

LITERALLY where?? Don't get me wrong, the new skin looks fucking great but we really tryna act like Camilles tits weren't made twice the size for it lmao

no to toxicNov 17, 20181 votes

Just cause your eyes are constantly looking at her hips doesn´t mean they aren´t there. You just gotta look behind the giant crystale on her head

EvenNov 16, 20186 votes

JarvanIV item 3070

NevrankroatonNov 16, 20185 votes

Someone saw Stonewall video XD

ThunderneedleNov 16, 20185 votes

Fisting fetish

Summonah12369Nov 16, 20184 votes

Vi can fist your girl.

MonstermushmushNov 16, 20183 votes

Vi better at clearing early, and she's easier to play most of the time.

HeyHeresTreNov 16, 20183 votes

What if you just enjoy the playstyle of vi over camilles?

ModCaptainMårvelousNov 16, 20183 votes

Vi's hotter.

Otherwise, basically nothing except character loyalty and Camille being too difficult. (Which is a stretch considering the skill floor for Cam is "Can you restrain yourself from mashing Q?")

illegal memeNov 16, 20182 votes

you can win trade easier on VI lol

UlkususNov 16, 20182 votes

Assassin Vi can oneshot faster due to no windup like Camille's Q2
Vi can build onhit bruiser and shred tanks if needed
Vi Q has 8 sec cd at rank 5 vs Camilles Hookshot at 10 sec cd rank 5 and completes faster due to not having to go wall -> target
Vi Q includes a knockback that is not reduced by tenacity
Most of Vi's damage has a (small) AoE to it, if you're lucky with positioning, you can clap the carry and their enchanter support at once
Vi ult has a much higher range, so if you go in and notice a priority target (assassin) pop up in your team behind you, you can ult and follow them back out of the enemy team

Dr DogNov 16, 20182 votes

shes easier to play and has faster healthier clear

Leto GTNov 16, 20182 votes

Vi clears way faster and has a shield so also healthier. Shes therefore less dépendent on getting kills early (lv2)

XJ99999999999999Nov 16, 20182 votes

honestly lol'd @ "vi is easier to play". no, vi doesnt have many options. shes very readable compared to camille. camille having more options is easier to play. vis armor shred doesnt matter if its built into her kit and considered when it comes to how much damage she does. camille has true damage Q which is busted.

no 1 played vi in worlds this year. all u saw was camille jungle. its clear vi was left behind. her biggest problem is her Q requires u to hit it or u just die. u cant just throw Q's like lee sin and miss 10 times but once it hits u kill someone. Also, vis ult isnt as good as people make it out to be. its called "aids to balance" when vi is an all in champion and it fits her kit well. people just dont like it due to being caught out and punished.

BestPudgeNANov 16, 20182 votes

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What benefit does Vi have over Camille, cause the way i see it there are none. Legit question.

Vi clears the jungle faster and healthy particular the AoE camps in the early/midgame Vi armor shred is for the whole team while Camille's True damage is for her only.

That said i can't really see a scenario where you would use that as a justification for picking Vi over Camille when Camille early ganks and engages are much better which is why you would want to pick those champs

David XanatosNov 16, 20182 votes

I didn't see Vi picked or banned in a single game on any of my accounts over 1000 games. So availability could be enough reason for junglers.

Camille was often contested even between top and jungler as well as banned.

Other than that, I love Vi skins. Also I hate camille since she does everything better than my Jarvan.

Ionian VulpixNov 16, 20182 votes

Easier and cheaper to unlock with blue essence.

He4rtkillerNov 16, 20182 votes

Because you like punching more then kicking daaah.

ElewdNov 16, 20181 votes

well why not pick both? Jungle Vi, Toplane Camille. As far as i remember Vi's main role is jungling due to her powerful ganking and good damage early on in a game. I DO think Vi needs some gameplay updates but i think its more torwards her itemization being more assassiny than bruisery, and thats due to her scaling being really high and having high burst damage and very quick exectuion of her skills. Q-E-E can be done in about 1 second which is really fast, compared to Camilles having a forced delay on it. I feel if they put more into her Broken armor shed go more bruisery.

Clapper of AssesNov 16, 20182 votes

Actually when Vi was released she was suppose to be a Top laner, but her kit seemed more effective in the jungle. Sound familiar?? Camille

ElewdNov 17, 20181 votes

and Leona and Blitzcrank were meant to be toplaners, Zyra Brand Vel'koz Morgana and Annie were meant to be midlaners. Maokai and Nautilus were meant to be junglers. Riot can "want" a champ to be in a role but we as the players tend to know better and have found MANY ways to play champs in different roles. I think after Jayce they started making champs to "fit" in a lane but were very open if the champion fell somewhere else, Vi is one of those that was inteded to be played toplane but her strengths in the jungle far outweighed her toplane, specially when at the time she lost lane to all the toplaners that were meta at the time.

seanskiNov 17, 20181 votes

Vi is easier to play, especially if you just start jungling.

CIaymanNov 17, 20181 votes

Vi can be more reliable, while Camille somewhat depends on the success of her early ganks

She is a scaling champion, but she has a somewhat hard time doing that from behind as a jungler. Vi has a much easier time power farming

BabiesNeedToDieNov 17, 20181 votes

@OP:

Did you watch a recent stonewall008 video? I did and it APPEARS (not saying it is, though, definitively) that was the inspiration for this thread. Granted, he only very briefly mentioned it but he did draw comparison to Camille.

MtFerventCatgirlNov 17, 20181 votes

Milfy Dominatrix vs Extreme Madam Gilf [sg-zephyr]

A Bad NasusNov 17, 20181 votes

Vi has a guaranteed knockup if you can get past the spellshields and zhonyas... What if they changed her ult into a TRUE knockup gasp!

The CuratorNov 17, 20181 votes

Do you only pick champions that you consider stronger? Do you have no personal taste? No preference? No personality? If numbers are all you consider important, you have my condolences.

Vlada CutNov 18, 20181 votes

Camille has delayed burst that deals true damage. Vi has immedaete burst that is also armor break. One has untargetability and another has unstoppable.