Hecarim needs some love

Potato Doc··4 votes·801 views

Riot the etheral pony seriously needs some love! I love the idea behind him, I love his kit, but I see a few problems with him

Q: The idea behind it is great, its awesome, the power behind it can be amazing, but theres two issues here

  1. The time you have the passive CD up is so small 1 mistake and its gone, its barely enough to move between 2 jungle camps, and for something that starts out so slow but is supposed to be so destructive this has to change. Buff it so the duration is longer. Because its supposed to be great for multiple opponents but when team fights are shorter then the time it takes to get 2 stacks you really get tons of wasted potential that is nearly impossible to capitalize on, you are much better off hoping the enemy ganks you at your jungle camps. Or if you just had it where his Q would gain stacks based on the amount of enemies he hit maxing at two stacks as it is now that would be a great option too!
  2. The range on his Q, as it stands you choose between spamming Q or auto attacks, (tangent rant) but when we look at riven she gets both also lets look at the fact shes able to cancel animations to get both of those off faster making her one of the fastest burst mages in the game yet shes a swordswoman.... (rant end) that Q needs some more range, you cant auto and then Q the scuttlecrab >.> thats just messed up, by giving his Q more range he will have more team fight presence

TL:DR for section 1: More accessability on that Q pasive More range on the Q (im pretty sure it has worse range then his auto)

His W is awesome :D

His E: For being a champion who is supposed to be the epitome of mobility the E is lack luster, there are several champions in the game who cover just as much ground as hecarims E early game for a fraction of the CD, their abiliities have just as much if not much more utility then his E but dont suffer from the abysmal CD times hecarim suffers from, in the end at lv 5 it is still is left as one of the highest CD moves in the game. Either buff the movement speed on it or buff the CD to where it can compete with rammus's powerball. (man the duration of 3 seconds is abysmal too!)

I know you are going through the champions right now and updating them, but I feel like just a small buff to the ethereal pony of doom would be nice :D

TL:DR Hecarim just need some small buffs no need for a major rework of the champion, just help the pony out!

6 Comments

Vettahn2 votes

just give him some sustain

he's a late game powerhouse, he just needs help getting there - take the focus away from his albeit strong early ganks, focus him as a mid/late game tank

Phrite2 votes

He's got 2 buffs on the PBE - Lower mana costs on Q and increased healing from minions/monsters on W.

Potato Doc2 votes

Nice to know hes getting buffs but still as I discussed his Q's range is abysmal and for being an AoE I almost never hit more then 1 person with it, plus the fact you cant AA and Q without moving to hit the scuttlecrab with both, thats really bad since the scuttle crab simulates an escaping champion that is slowed. You can hardly use it as a kiting mechanic aswell since if you are trying to get away and the person is nearby it wont hit because of how small the hitbox is. Its also the fact that hecarims Q's passive is so fragile its comparable to miss fortunes passive

As i said in my post the problem isnt his W, thats perfectly fine as is, even with the buff in the heal it probably wont change how I jungle hec

His E is also the most ridiculously under powered movement spell in the game mostly because of how bad its CD is, great for ganks, but forces you back into the jungle to wait for another (at lv 1) 21 seconds to use it again, which can be major when a nearby lane needs a serious counter gank but you cant do it because your mobility spell is down. Meanwhile we have champions whos speed buffs are on CD in a fraction of the time it takes heacrims E to come back up and that dont have this "ramp" up mechanic, meanwhile the only other champion with a "ramp up" mechanic rammus goes from 3% to 165% over 9 seconds, meanwhile hecarim only goes from 25% to 75% over 3 seconds

I love the pony and the buffs are nice, just not targetting what they really need to target

Phrite1 votes

Idk I don't have the same issues landing Q personally. The W buff is nice just because it will make your first clear easier. I would love the E CD to be lower. I wouldn't complain about any buffs cause I love the pony.

Really more than anything else though I miss his old ult =.(

Potato Doc1 votes

Its not a problem of landing the Q is the little intricacies that make it worse then it supposed to be compared to other champions with similar ideas (looking at riven)

Well to be honest his first clear in the jungle isnt that bad considering you now HAVE to go back after your 3rd camp or you just fall behind way too quickly in gold

I was gone for 2 years what did they do to his ult?

Phrite1 votes

They removed the damage on impact so that only the riders themselves actually do dmg. Before the riders did dmg and then there was impact on the damage site. Having had more chance to play around with the new season changes i've noticed what you're talking about with the Q. It's most noticable when you're going for the river frogs for vision. If you AA one and Q immediately after it misses entirely which seems rather unsatisfying. I could see making it a tad bigger so that you could AA, Q, AA, Q more consistently.

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