Raptor's Cloak doesn't build into anything in Howling Abyss

woobee·Apr 22, 2017·107 votes·2,734 views

Please either remove the item or make another one that builds out of it, because right now it is just a loose end that appeared with the removal of Talisman of Ascension.

19 Comments

Blue Moon WolfApr 22, 201726 votes

See's is getting Orb of Winter's old passive

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realizes Riot removed gold items from ARAM

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PopperofskiApr 22, 20176 votes

Idk why they don't let you build zzrot portal now that you have increased wave spawns and more of them during the inhibitor phase. If not zzrot, a variation of it that's balanced

GrReaper96Apr 22, 20177 votes

Cause then every team would kinda HAVE to get it

DarkRitualApr 22, 20174 votes

Let alone multuples.

5000000000000000Apr 22, 20171 votes

Why? Zz'Rot counters Zz'Rot only when it's used to splitpush and create pressure. But now Zz'Rot can't be used to really push waves (it does, but very slightly), and there are no side lanes to splitpush. Zz'Rot would still be a situational item in ARAM. It can help take towers more quickly, and get MS in tower dives, but the active is not gonna be that amazing in ARAM.

SpecterVonBarenApr 22, 20172 votes

You don't see the issue with 5 people buying 5 ZZ'Rot's, placing them outside the range of the enemy team, and then just letting the voidlings push while daring the enemy team to go in on them?

5000000000000000Apr 23, 20171 votes

Out of range where? It already has a pretty short range. If you put it under your outer tower, you'll barely get it to the enemy outer tower, at which it'll have about 10% HP. If there's a minion wave (there always will be, with 25 second respawn time), the Void spawns will not reach the tower.

TeCoolMageApr 23, 20171 votes

Doesn't have to be like that. In a recent patch Zz'rot was changed from a purely splitpushing item to a seige/splitpush/stall item. At level 9-10 a single zz'rot portal has enough damage to kill a tower not considering minion and champion damage.

If you have a team with a disruptor and artillery mage, just buy 5x zz'rot, place it in the bush closer to their tower. The artillery mage makes them lose at freezing under turret and the disruptor zones people off engages and attempts to take the portals (25 auto attacks? yeah just give me 10 seconds of uninterrupted auto attacking minimum). You'll win 100% of the time unless they pull off a huge outplay

5000000000000000Apr 23, 20171 votes

From splitpush/stall item to siege item, you mean. Voidspawns are not tanky enough to take hits from minions (usually 2-3 hits), on top of hp decay that starts sooner. They do more tower damage, but still the same amount of minion damage. It's even easier to kill for champions, too. It really doesn't require a huge outplay. The mages will have significantly less damage if they are getting Zz'Rot early, and after the outer tower, the effectiveness of the Zz'Rot portals are significantly weaker, since the portals can no longer be placed in brushes. It's a suboptimal strategy that may work in certain comps, but not consistently. Zz'Rot is very weak in a 5v5 siege situation.

TeCoolMageApr 25, 20171 votes

the voidspawn are still decent at splitpushing and stalling though, as long as something makes the waves uneven, slowpush AND requires someone to go to that area to deal with it, it's still a good tool.

FantasySniperApr 22, 20174 votes

I think they should remove it.

Its passive, which is 65 - 83 bonus MS. has like a 90% up-time.

You could build Talisman on anyone and you would have speed out the ass.

Erractic EickApr 22, 20171 votes

I agree, but if they kept it, then maybe I wouldn't get hit by EVERY DAMN NID SPEAR AND BLITZ GRAB EVER.

Malicious FuryApr 22, 20173 votes

I still buy item 2053 when I get Singed .

item 3009 item 3800 item 2053 along with three items of choice are op as hell. But yeah, it should build into something.

SukishooApr 23, 20172 votes

I posted about that the other day too https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/rnQ94vAh-aram-item-changes-removal-of-talisiman

It's like so pointless that item 2053 is still here but yet item 3069 item 3056 item 3512 are all disabled. It's like what is the point of leaving this here? It builds into nothing, it's not like a starter item where you might buy it and keep it for awhile then sell it... it's just something fragment of another item that's there...

ZyniXApr 22, 20171 votes

Wish we could still build Talisman.

PinkAbuunaApr 22, 20171 votes

Upvoted for visablility.

Sire HippingtonApr 22, 20171 votes

imo it would be fitting to built Deadmans (not just in howling abyss) out off it, when somewhat reduce the ms on deadmans own passive and maybe slightly up the price.

NeameanApr 23, 20171 votes

Just made a post on how we can keep the tier 3 support item

Have them build out of and

They will have the same passive as Guardian's item(no increase stats) and 10% cooldown reduction and support item active active + +450g=

+ +350g=

Talisman of ascension would not give CDR and it would keep Raptor's coat passive too. + +150g= and + +150g=