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Nerf Lux

okamiyasha95··9 votes·3,792 views

Her kit is only the least of the problem. Support Lux is broken as hell. She spams her e which costs no mana, has no cd so she's doing it every 4 seconds, and it has enough damage for her to solo win lane against an adc and support. Coupled with an enemy adc, you can't even farm let alone sit under turret. Sona was nerfed because her poking made adcing impossible. They nerfed morgana support because her w poke and q stuns were making adcing impossible. They nerfed zyra because she was making adcing impossible. Why can't they give lux the same amount of attention? This is an adc meta for crying out loud. Go in for a trade? Yeah...right. Lux snares you, auto attacks you for bonus damage, e's you then autos you for bonus damage again chunking half your health. All the while, her adc is killing you too. Pick morg? Morg's shield has a long ass cooldown and lux can use e 3 times before morg gets a shield. Not to mention using a shield uses a third of morg's mana. Pick a Soraka? Soraka can only heal one champ and she loses health in doing so, so lux just kills soraka with less effort. Pick another mid laner? Then what's the point in having a support role and what are support champs> Also, that means that your play style will be an either feast or famine and you'll have to play risky which is the worst idea in solo queue. Pick Leona? Leona goes in and lux snares leo while the adc is beating the crap out of her and since she dives in, her adc will get to her aid too late. The only thing that works against lux support is the late game where she can get one shotted by the jungler or mid laner but by then, she's already reduced your team to half health with her ap build. Ban her? Over Trist, Vayne, Twitch, Brand, Nasus, Gangplank, Akali, Katarina, etc. etc? Yeah...right. The 10 ban system should be used to ban the extremes like trist, malzahar, tahm kench who are just overly powered in teamplay while the other champs should be pretty balanced. Let us not forget her fricking ult. She gets her nuke worthy ult every 20 seconds so she doesn't even have to put herself in harm's way to help in team fights.

All in all, nerf her to where she sucks completely as support but no so much in mid lane. For starters, make the mana cost on her e 100 or make the cd on it 10 seconds. The number are exaggerated but you get my drift. Also, remove her double stacking shield to just one and only let it block either magic or physical damage.

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Sona Ping4 votes

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Her kit is only the least of the problem. Support Lux is broken as hell. She spams her e which costs no mana, has no cd so she's doing it every 4 seconds, and it has enough damage for her to solo win lane against an adc and support. Coupled with an enemy adc, you can't even farm let alone sit under turret. Sona was nerfed because her poking made adcing impossible. They nerfed morgana support because her w poke and q stuns were making adcing impossible. They nerfed zyra because she was making adcing impossible. Why can't they give lux the same amount of attention? This is an adc meta for crying out loud. Go in for a trade? Yeah...right. Lux snares you, auto attacks you for bonus damage, e's you then autos you for bonus damage again chunking half your health. All the while, her adc is killing you too. Pick morg? Morg's shield has a long ass cooldown and lux can use e 3 times before morg gets a shield. Not to mention using a shield uses a third of morg's mana. Pick a Soraka? Soraka can only heal one champ and she loses health in doing so, so lux just kills soraka with less effort. Pick another mid laner? Then what's the point in having a support role and what are support champs> Also, that means that your play style will be an either feast or famine and you'll have to play risky which is the worst idea in solo queue. Pick Leona? Leona goes in and lux snares leo while the adc is beating the crap out of her and since she dives in, her adc will get to her aid too late. The only thing that works against lux support is the late game where she can get one shotted by the jungler or mid laner but by then, she's already reduced your team to half health with her ap build. Ban her? Over Trist, Vayne, Twitch, Brand, Nasus, Gangplank, Akali, Katarina, etc. etc? Yeah...right. The 10 ban system should be used to ban the extremes like trist, malzahar, tahm kench who are just overly powered in teamplay while the other champs should be pretty balanced. Let us not forget her fricking ult. She gets her nuke worthy ult every 20 seconds so she doesn't even have to put herself in harm's way to help in team fights.

All in all, nerf her to where she sucks completely as support but no so much in mid lane. For starters, make the mana cost on her e 100 or make the cd on it 10 seconds. The number are exaggerated but you get my drift. Also, remove her double stacking shield to just one and only let it block either magic or physical damage.

Just no. You have no idea what you are talking about, not at one point in that ramble, and your game is your own fault.

You have no idea what you are talking about: You propose a nerf to Lux through changing a number to what it is at already or a buff!

okamiyasha952 votes

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Just no. You have no idea what you are talking about, not at one point in that ramble, and your game is your own fault.

You have no idea what you are talking about: You propose a nerf to Lux through changing a number to what it is at already or a buff!

Sorry but sitting under turret trying to play safe but instead getting poked down to death is my fault right? No problem. You're right. I should just leave the turret and lane and let the enemy adc and lux run down bot instead of dying. Great idea. The numbers I suggested are not the numbers I would like to see nor are they actual. If you were reading with sense instead of bias, you would have found that out. I don't care if her e cd is 10 secs and her mana cost is 100, change them and make them higher is the point.

okamiyasha953 votes

It is obvious all you guys either love the opness of lux or are lux mains.

Sp33d Zer02 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/lux/statistics/support

Lux doesn't even grace the 50th percentile.

Hell, she doesn't even hit the 25th percentile.

She's the 4th WORST support in the game.

okamiyasha951 votes

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http://na.op.gg/champion/lux/statistics/support

Lux doesn't even grace the 50th percentile.

Hell, she doesn't even hit the 25th percentile.

She's the 4th WORST support in the game.

How many times do people have to explain, numbers do not determine the opness of a champ. So what if she does not grace the whatever mark? For one, most of the players that play lux support are low elo so they will do things like: play overly aggressive, get caught out, or just suck at landing her skillshots. THAT DOES NOT MEAN her abilities do not hurt. The correlation between win rate and actual in-game mechanics is irrelevant to what my point is. If Nasus does 1000 damage per q at 15 mins but still loses because he can't 1 v 5 and ends up having a win rate of 20%, does that mean he is not op? No, he still a tune down on his damage. Come to me when you actually have a solid disagreement instead of numbers you found floating around.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

It is however a fact that she does not need NERFS which is what you were calling for.

She has a low pick rate.

She has a low win rate.

She has 0% presence at anything above a moderate elo.

okamiyasha951 votes

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It is however a fact that she does not need NERFS which is what you were calling for.

She has a low pick rate.

She has a low win rate.

She has 0% presence at anything above a moderate elo.

Okay elo junky. So basically, you're saying anybody who is in low elo, around low plat-wood, they should just shut up deal with it? You're basically saying git gud? The problem with that is that it does not disagree with my argument. The same way you feel as though she does not need a nerf, I feel as though she needs a nerf. 0 presence at anything above a moderate elo? I'm assuming you mean lux support. Alright, if it's lux support in the moderate and above elo, then it is hypocritical. For one, who in the moderate or higher elo plays lux support over supports like Janna, Tahm Kench, Thresh, Lulu, Karma, Brand, so on and so on. BUT, going on with your point, you would be correct. IN MODERATE AND ABOVE ELO. Let me explain where the lack of real substance is with that point; THE MAJORITY OF LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PLAYERS ARE IN LOW ELO. All together, the population of players above gold is appx. 9.3 percent. If you're saying she sucks in high elo, then you are implying unless you are LCS, you do not know anything about the game and anything you say is just mumbo jumbo bs. If that's the case, you did not need to make that comment as this thread is clearly just a pointless rant.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Moderate elo is around silver. Where the majority are.

okamiyasha951 votes

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Moderate elo is around silver. Where the majority are.

Agreed by definition, but in actuality. Low elo is gold and below.

EarthyMadness2 votes

Lux's E costs more than her ult though, and her shield is a skillshot that is halved each way, so it's not even the best shield support either.

okamiyasha951 votes

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Lux's E costs more than her ult though, and her shield is a skillshot that is halved each way, so it's not even the best shield support either.

After 3 level ups yes it does. Guess what? By then should should have enough mana itemization to compensate for her cost especially when frostfang gives you 50% mana regen. That is around the 5th level. That's about 10 minutes. That means in the early game, that statement is irrelevant. Within the first 10 minutes, she is spamming her e at the adc nonstop making it extremely difficult to farm. My problem mainly focuses around her early game damage picked as a support. In the mid lane, she is more tolerable, but she is also stronger since she can collect more gold. No her shield does not halve. Did you read her abilities? Not only does it not halve, "shielding an ally with the outgoing shield doubles the value of the returning shield." What were you getting at exactly though? Was it to correct my statements or just to disagree with my statement entirely?

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Her E costs 130 mana. Her mana regen at level 9 assuming maxed E is 11.4 per 5, 57 seconds to make the mana for her E. With 50% increased mana regen she is now at 18.1 mana per 5, that is 36 seconds to make up 100 mana. The cooldown with frost fang is 9 seconds. The only way she is spamming it nonstop is if she is ooming herself out, basing, coming back to lane, and spamming it out again.

okamiyasha951 votes

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Her E costs 130 mana. Her mana regen at level 9 assuming maxed E is 11.4 per 5, 57 seconds to make the mana for her E. With 50% increased mana regen she is now at 18.1 mana per 5, that is 36 seconds to make up 100 mana. The cooldown with frost fang is 9 seconds. The only way she is spamming it nonstop is if she is ooming herself out, basing, coming back to lane, and spamming it out again.

Early game is not at level 9 these days. Early game these days is til level 6 or 7. By the time she runs out, she's already done enough damage to sit in lane and her adc handle the rest. But yes, once she does run out she does back and spam all over again. At level 1, she uses 70 mana and deals 60 base magic damage. The average adc, with doran's, starts off with around 630 health and 34 magic resist. Spellthief gives +10 ability power and the sorcery rune page gives another +10. So her e is doing around 80 damage. If they run aery and scorch, they get hit with an extra 15 damage and burn for 20 magic damage. So in total, 115 damage minus the magic resist, 81. That's around 9 uses before she kills the adc which turns into 12 if they use pots and healing. We know she doesn't have the mana for that. However, she is not the only one in lane. Imagine the adc dealing the same amount of damage along with lux. That's twice the damage. So 9 abilities turns into 5 abilities to kill an adc. Mind you, this is only at level one. Where does it say she uses 130 mana? I was looking at multiple lol sites and she at the 3rd rank, she uses 100 mana for her e. It might be outdates in numbers. Either way, I don't see 130 mana on her e anywhere. I get what you're trying to say, mana regen is basically useless. You're right, somewhat. Every little bit of anything counts in games.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

70 mana for 60 base is terrible efficiency.

Most enchanters do the exact same thing. They also scale better

VvVVvV2 votes

While Lux does deal a lot of damage...you have to consider the fact that ALL of her skills are skill shots. She has no point and clicks. If your entire kit is skill shots then you should be rewarded a bit more for landing them.

Just get better at dodging them. (except for the ult because that hit box is just dumb but thats a different thread)

okamiyasha951 votes

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While Lux does deal a lot of damage...you have to consider the fact that ALL of her skills are skill shots. She has no point and clicks. If your entire kit is skill shots then you should be rewarded a bit more for landing them.

Just get better at dodging them. (except for the ult because that hit box is just dumb but thats a different thread)

CC tanks deal loads of damage and they have no skillshots. They are rewarded for just being selected. Champions with no mana deal just as much damage with champions that use mana so they rewarded simply for no having mana since they can continuously spam their abilities without running out. To say a champion that has skillshots should be rewarded for it is the same as saying champions without skillshots should be beta to those that have skillshots. You completely read over and dismissed my comparative to her counterpart, Morg. morg is another skillshot champion but she is nowhere near as unhealthy in the bot lane as lux. Another disagreement besides the fact she is a skillshot champion?

SherlocktheGamer1 votes

What a pity that all of her skill shot are AoE so it's literally impossible miss them.

Vekkna2 votes

make the mana cost on her e 100 or make the cd on it 10 seconds.

In other words, buff Lux?

0/10

MysticDreams122 votes

Sheesh. Someone's salty.

She's not getting any nerfs anytime soon, actually I think I read somewhere they are looking into some buffs for her because she's actually STRUGGLING in this meta.

You just either don't know how to play against her as a support Lux or just got beat, pure and simple.

Right now, her mana costs are absurd for the awful csing ability in her mid lane, and she is struggling against most mid laners right now, even ones she is supposed to beat. So, either the Lux you went against was good in managing their mana/using mana items/etc and was just showing you how she can spam and save at the same time, or you just didn't really realize it and think "oh she spams with no risk."

Seriously dude. Go calm down, do some research, and learn to play against her then QQing on the boards that no Rioter will hear or listen to you.

okamiyasha951 votes

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Sheesh. Someone's salty.

She's not getting any nerfs anytime soon, actually I think I read somewhere they are looking into some buffs for her because she's actually STRUGGLING in this meta.

You just either don't know how to play against her as a support Lux or just got beat, pure and simple.

Right now, her mana costs are absurd for the awful csing ability in her mid lane, and she is struggling against most mid laners right now, even ones she is supposed to beat. So, either the Lux you went against was good in managing their mana/using mana items/etc and was just showing you how she can spam and save at the same time, or you just didn't really realize it and think "oh she spams with no risk."

Seriously dude. Go calm down, do some research, and learn to play against her then QQing on the boards that no Rioter will hear or listen to you.

Then change the meta or let her struggle. When it was tank meta, they let the adcs and bruisers struggle until the adc meta. They said tanks were not good enough so let's buff them and we all know how that went. Salty? I'm sorry if I seem salty. I am a little salty. That does not make my argument invalid. If you were laning against a champ that poked you for 15 percent every ability eventually killing you, couldn't get in range because their abilities are farther than your abilities, and had a contegency plan in case you did want to get in range (Jayce, Heimerdinger, Teemo), wouldn't you have some complaints too. This is not an "I lost so nerf this and that so that I can win every game easy." This is a "Lux is not a support. She shouldn't be doing any damage in the bot lane so she can build support items more." I have beaten her in lane, I have played around her and won games with her fed on the enemy team. This is not me vs. them. This is a team game and even if I know how to play against her, that does not mean that my teammates know how to play against her. Soraka is a perfect example. That also does not mean her damage early game as support is acceptable. They nerfed malzahar, they nerfed brand, they nerfed zyra, they nerfed morgana because they all were being played back and forth mid and support and still dealing tons of damage. Lux is no different than that. I'm not saying give her the nerf hammer to make her completely useless. I would love that, but that's not what I'm getting at. If they would just nerf her e to where she isn't constantly spamming it over and over, I would take it. I don't care if they are buffing her ult, I don't care if her ult cd is getting lowered, giving her a bigger shield, whatever. ALL I WANT IS A NERF ON HER E so the laning phase can be more about laning and less about dodge the lux e.

MysticDreams121 votes

Seriously.

She is not as a nuisance as the others were, thats why they were nerfed. Lux already has a hard time farming with E in the mid lane, her costs are absurd. Nerfing that will make her mid lane worse. I literally can only say that if you think her E is doing "15 percent", then you have the wrong runes/and or playing a champ that has very low health.

Cause she doesn't do as much damage as she used too, and when I say she's struggling, I mean she is struggling hard. It's easy to dodge her E, and if you bait her Q, you can go all in without much trouble. She's not a nuisance at all in this game, compared to the likes of Zed, Yasuo, etc.

And you QQing is really just you being a salty person that got beat, pure and simple.

Lux doesn't deserve any nerfs. She needs help.

Vulkus I1 votes

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Sheesh. Someone's salty.

She's not getting any nerfs anytime soon, actually I think I read somewhere they are looking into some buffs for her because she's actually STRUGGLING in this meta.

You just either don't know how to play against her as a support Lux or just got beat, pure and simple.

Right now, her mana costs are absurd for the awful csing ability in her mid lane, and she is struggling against most mid laners right now, even ones she is supposed to beat. So, either the Lux you went against was good in managing their mana/using mana items/etc and was just showing you how she can spam and save at the same time, or you just didn't really realize it and think "oh she spams with no risk."

Seriously dude. Go calm down, do some research, and learn to play against her then QQing on the boards that no Rioter will hear or listen to you.

https://u.gg/lol/champions/lux/build/?role=middle&rank=diamond_plus "Struggling" She's just fine, leave her be.

ZaneShadow2 votes

Support lux is useless if not built like a support, and only averages about a 48% winrate when she does that.

I like these buffs because their very niche, applying only in a few senarios, and only really start have my heavy impact late game, where she is really not very useful.

okamiyasha951 votes

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Support lux is useless if not built like a support, and only averages about a 48% winrate when she does that.

I like these buffs because their very niche, applying only in a few senarios, and only really start have my heavy impact late game, where she is really not very useful.

Agreed. However, it is rare she builds support. Most Lux supports go straight ap damage and in the early game where it counts the most, she is oppressive. I've won games against her and I can lane against her, but my adc cannot lane with her constantly chunking 20 percent of their health in such a short time. Correct me if I'm wrong though, isn't brand receiving a nerf because he is in the same band with not being able to farm with his constant w pokes? She feels useless in the late game, but she really isn't. She actually starts to win games after the 40 minute mark. She's only easier to kill late game, but if she can land her abilities, she can one shot the mid and adc while her team cleans up sorta kinda like veigar.

okamiyasha952 votes

When it was the league of ezreal, everyone was saying, "nerf ezreal." When it was the league of Vayne, "Nerf Vayne. Draven, "Nerf Draven." It still is the league of draven lol. No one was saying, "You're just bad," Git Gud," or "You just lost so deal with it." Just because a champion reaches a certain percentage in the statistics department does not mean they are now a problem. Statistics do not make champions useless.

SpeccyGames1 votes

All I'm saying is regarding this post, please make sure your helmet isn't on too tight before writing another post about lux being op, her q is literally the easiest skillshot to dodge in the game. The only reason why she isn't god awful is because of her low ult cd and the fact that she was the only shield support that didn't get her shield nerfed. Reconsider your options of speech and at least hit gold before typing anymore messages regarding Lux.Lux

okamiyasha951 votes

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All I'm saying is regarding this post, please make sure your helmet isn't on too tight before writing another post about lux being op, her q is literally the easiest skillshot to dodge in the game. The only reason why she isn't god awful is because of her low ult cd and the fact that she was the only shield support that didn't get her shield nerfed. Reconsider your options of speech and at least hit gold before typing anymore messages regarding Lux.Lux

Look. Stop riding lux's diq. Her Q is only ez to dodge when there nothing in the way and it's just u and her. I'm not complaining about her q. Not once did I say her q was a problem. Her E and ult is. The only problem with her ult is the hitbox. The cd is fine because it does take skill to land it but the hitbox is bigger than the animation allowing her to get kills she shouldn't. Her E is too spammable in lane. And what does my rank have to do with my points. So you're saying if I was challenger, my points would be right?

ThaRecon1 votes

real fucking talk man

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