Can we do something about Karthus?

Antonella·4/3/2016, 3:05:52 PM·165 votes·6,823 views

I love Karthus but he completely sucks now. One of the worst champions in the game. There is to many champions that completely counter his ult and make his impact non-existent. The immobile mage update is coming soon but nothing about Karthus. He is the very definition of immobile mage. I would love to hear something about Karthus's state and if he is getting any changes.

130 Comments

Igotlazy4/3/2016, 5:03:39 PM43 votes

I think what really hurt him is the recent trend of adding a bit of Movement Speed to a lot of items. Ludens, Runic, Dead Man's, Duskblade, a good chunk of ADC items etc. The average movement speed of champions is quite a few points higher than what it was last year. Makes hitting your Skittles a nightmare.

Enrovy4/3/2016, 7:53:26 PM16 votes

that feel when fiora legit walks on your e, with you trying dropping everything on her, but she is too mobile, while e isn't doing anything to her, (I feel like its healing her) and then she just aa you to death... that hopeless feeling... and not even fed...

Robert Smith4/3/2016, 10:27:11 PM14 votes

When most people say Karthus suck they mostly already lost when playing him in the early game. The method of Victory for Karthus is not getting kills early or harassing your lane opponent, it is through farming and Ulting when the jungler ganks other lanes. If you can keep you creep score around your lane opponent and make sure they do not get feed then you won since most likely you have a better late game than them. Karthus is also a beast during team fights when he has item 3116 since even during death it still goes on. Does his early suck more than it usually did, yes, should he have been included in the Mage update, yes. I Love that Karthus is getting more attention but when people say he has no impact or is one of the worst champions made it sort of triggers me. His playstyle makes him a late game team fighter which most people dont make it to late game, or don't like team fighting

SnowFall4/3/2016, 7:43:18 PM6 votes

For rework, he needs to stop dying just to be effective.

Marshbouy4/3/2016, 5:00:53 PM5 votes

i feel exactly the same way. he has almost no damage early, the CD on his ult is disgusting and a lot of things can dodge it, he has little to no cc, and requires a lot of items to get anywhere. Its painful

BestKarthusEU4/4/2016, 11:05:13 AM4 votes

Karthus main here.

My main concern about reworking Karthus is that, as much as he sucks right now, I love his play style.

I wouldn't want it to be changed. His Q and his Ult make him really unique and I would hate for him to just get a brand new kit entirely.

NDNPRO644/4/2016, 3:36:17 AM4 votes

Karthus is one of the coolest, most unique champions in the entire game. Shame on Riot for rendering this guy obsolete.

Keevalroy4/4/2016, 1:48:15 AM3 votes

I would love to hear something about Karthus's state and if he is getting any changes.

Cough! Bring back Revive. Cough!

Darkslayer854/3/2016, 5:53:18 PM3 votes

It may be that I'm unranked, but I feel item 3003 item 3027 item 3116 is all he needs to wreck a game.

LynXerf4/4/2016, 9:17:39 AM3 votes

I feel his ult can be changed to give him a decent buff.


Karthus Requiem (R) ACTIVE: Karthus loses all vision to focus and channels for 3 seconds and, upon completing the channel, he can cast requiem again within the next 5 seconds to deal magic damage to all enemy champions.

Karthus cannot move or deactivate after activating Requiem until channel ends or is interrupted.


So basically, you still get the 3 second notice of his ult, but Karthus has a 5 second window to detonate it after that. To make this a game of 2 sides, Karthus cannot see enemy champions while casting his ult. So if he's just sniping someone with no shields he will just detonate his ult as soon as he's channelled. However, if he's trying to hit one or more people who have shields or barrier or stasis, he has a window of opportunity to actually hit them by baiting it out and hitting at the end of the 5 second window, or hitting them immediately which could also catch them off guard. Another note - it is a risk to Karthus doing this as he is even more vulnerable this way while using his ult.

I think it's a quality of life buff that simply makes his ult more interesting.

Cabalist4/4/2016, 2:48:58 AM2 votes

Karth has almost NO escapes and has a "Below average" slow, meanwhile, Azir with them "Shurima Shuffle'

Lanarrin4/4/2016, 3:22:11 AM2 votes

who?

NDNPRO644/4/2016, 3:30:09 AM2 votes

Can confirm as a Karthus main I received numerous surveys from Riot about Karthus. Questions were basically "What do you think about his passive"? etc.

WadeWilson13374/3/2016, 5:45:31 PM2 votes

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BigPooStorm4/4/2016, 6:05:22 AM2 votes

Veigar would also like a word with you... Lowest win rate mage right now. The popular anti mage items in the meta right now counter him so hard. Maw, Steraks, and QSS are regularly picked up by AD champs, and even having one of these makes Veigar's job insanely harder. And if 2 or 3 of them are built, good luck doing anything at all.

Axxuka4/3/2016, 10:26:36 PM2 votes

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I love Karthus but he completely sucks now. One of the worst champions in the game. There is to many champions that completely counter his ult and make his impact non-existent. The immobile mage update is coming soon but nothing about Karthus. He is the very definition of immobile mage. I would love to hear something about Karthus's state and if he is getting any changes.

Maybe he's the same case as Galio and Swain. They don't want to do a small scope update to him like they do with Mid-mage update because it wouldn't be enough. He needs the ressources of a full kit rework.

I still don't get why Swain needs such a rework but that's not on topic XD

KushDid4204/3/2016, 11:32:46 PM2 votes

I just don't understand why they nerfed him hard back in 5.24

He needed that slow because of his up close and personal playstyle but Riot decided to gut him because he was "Benefiting greatly" from the pre season changes, even though his core items got uber nerfed.

It's hilarious too, because only DFT was what he was benefiting from in S6, he basically got directly and indirectly nerfed hard that it's only worth playing him if you are great with him.

Jasiwel4/4/2016, 1:47:50 AM2 votes

Riot needed to compensate Karthus for that nerf too. He was never overbearing in the grand scheme of things, especially factoring in his competition. It feels like the nerf was done in a vacuum under controlled settings.

terkmc4/4/2016, 10:53:33 AM2 votes

RANDOM FUCKING WALL NERF

célo4/3/2016, 7:03:42 PM1 votes

Similar to Azir, Karthus has a somewhat low winrate. However, if you look at this http://champion.gg/champion/Karthus , 1-5 games 43% 125+ games 65.61% winrate. Karthus is one of those champs that has a fine line of balanced and busted, I really think he's fine right now

InivtesPreeze4/4/2016, 6:44:40 AM1 votes

Good, there is never a point in time when it is acceptable for a shit champion to dump damage on the entire team without consequence.