Time to see the problem RIOT!

DemonBoneJangles··3 votes·825 views

Now I've posted on this before and frankly, just scrolling through the boards nothings changed. Riot you guys aren't blind I know this, but how are you not seeing that your new champion select is a flop. I've seen five threads in the past four days saying how good it is. However I've seen 20+ threads giving poor to outright hostile reviews of it. someone has to be seeing all this and at least tossing around the idea that a mistake was made by removing team builder.

The new select isn't all bad I'll admit, but it only really works and looks good when you have a group of 3+ people. When you have less than three people you get stuck with the issue of getting verbally harassed for little to no reason when you don't perform well in lane. also, with the addition of this new mode you have virtually "Forced" everyone to play draft and get prepped for ranked whether they want to or not, how is that generating a non-toxic community? The answer its not, in five out of the seven games I've played on the new select with my friends, we've had, a troll, two toxic players, an afk, and a rager who afk'd after he lost lane.

but in spite of all this, the one thing I hate more than your new select is normal blind pick, its the most toxic scatterbrained queue of all, when people aren't speed typing to get the lane they want they are auto locking champs before lanes and screwing everyone on their team over before the match even begins, not to mention both queues have people who say one thing then do another suck as getting jungle and going bot etc..

In short you guys at riot need to look at what the community is saying, not just the group that says "Oh the new select is awesome" because they are the ones who are trying to either go pro, or have been playing draft for a long time, or even the ones who just didn't like team builder. In actuality Riot should have a poll to see if they should bring team builder back and replace normal blind instead.

As always comments are appreciated (From rioters especially) and don't downvote this just because you don't like me knocking the new select, if your gonna down vote this then at least give a reason why, if you cant then just let it roll. But hey if you want Riot to listen then up vote away.

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17 Comments

HEAljvLykd3 votes

Everyone is just crying and moaning because something new is introduced. A month from now nobody is going to give a shit. Same thing happened with HUD changes and placement.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

you may be right, but currently there is a big issue with it, massive queue times, and the awkward interface. I'm not saying remove the new select, I'm saying that until they can get a mode that works well with solo and duo players that doesn't require auto locking a champ just to get your lane, team builder should come back. besides not everyone likes draft mode otherwise the entire community would be playing ranked.

Troiann1 votes

Except the new HUD went from being utter trash to actually being decent. They changed around two things, where your items are, and where your teammates are. And you can choose to revert the second one.

They fixed a lot of the problems. But only after a lot of people gave their opinion on how god awful the one on release was.

Sachabot2 votes

They're aware it's a problem, but just rolling it back isn't an answer, no matter what the community thinks.

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

As above, I'm not asking for them to "rollback" the issue just put team builder back as a standard queue for people who don't like draft but don't want to get stuck in normal blinds. I've blocked more players this week in blinds than I have in team builder its entire time on live. And I really don't like blocking people anymore. But I understand what you and HEAljvLykd are saying yes the community is complaining but I think this time its something Riot should listen to instead of just stand against the tide

Sachabot1 votes

It is a rollback, because Teambuilder was only meant to bridge to this. The whole purpose of the previous system was to find a way to a better system. And yeah, the new system sucks. That might have something to do with it being new, and people not really understanding it or reading the explanation provided. It also has to do with things Riot didn't think of, but now has to so that we can move forward.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Sachabot1 votes

Oh, really. No one is asking for a rollback? No one at all? Do I really need to go get the threads?

I do think that like should be forced against like, even if that means a longer wait. It is only fair.

DrCyanide2 votes

In actuality Riot should have a poll to see if they should bring team builder back and replace normal blind instead

"Team Builder" was inferior to Blind Pick, thus the reason Blind Pick still lives and Team Builder was removed. What Team Builder lacked most was flexibility. It was, ironically enough, terrible at constructing a team. Someone on your team is playing Yasuo and you want to change to a champion with a Knock Up? You can't do that. Up for playing any role, filling what's available? Can't do that either. Want to pick a random champion? Sorry, not even that's allowed.

"But off meta picks!" - You can play them in Blind Pick too. The only reason you saw them so often in Team Builder is because you went through about 10 teams worth of ADCs before someone decided to stay in your game, and they just happened to be playing Ahri ADC.

"But dodging!" - Was mostly done for no reason whatsoever, not as a way to avoid a toxic team.

"But kicking!" - Was done mostly to prevent off meta picks.

The only thing people can say about Team Builder that isn't accounted for is locking in your champ and role. Guess it's back to them instalocking in Blind Pick.

Sachabot2 votes

Yeah, my biggest gripe was that nobody understood how to build comps (I used TB to practice for it), and the inflexibility that often is detrimental to a good team game.

DemonBoneJangles2 votes

If I didn't have to deal with the instalocking, blinds would be fine, me and my duo love off meta picks and honestly I didn't mind waiting to find what I wanted for my team, if I had a yasuo I tried to get another knockup on the team etc. I understand everyones hate for this topic but really its not any different than someone complaining about nerfs or buffs to a champion they don't like. it'll pass or it wont. long story short, its not up to us unless we voice our opinion and even then Riot has to listen for anything to be done.

Trinimpodence1 votes

1st off anyone else read this with like a yelling voice in there head. XD 2nd there will always be trolls and toxic players. 3rd changing back to old tea m build wont fix much, but doing so will cause many of people to be like u begging for the system we have now. but way more since how much people who like it as u stated 4th in my opinion if u want something to fix this problem of people not getting what they want, they could create a mode where a role is given to you if anyone wants to play like that this willl cause mostly open minded people to come not toxic players who only wants what they want but there still will be trolls cause thats how life is now. just my thoughts. :T

DemonBoneJangles1 votes

people like me, sadly I'm not here begging for a flawed mode to come back, I'm asking how others feel and letting riot know there's a problem 2nd: yes trolls and toxic players will always exist, this is true however its annoying having them every game. 3rd: no I don't expect changing to the old build will fix everything, but it will fix the issue of having to deal with instalockers and the mid or feed guys last: honestly this was my thoughts and ideas I don't expect everyone to like it or support it. I do however expect people to have clear and concise thoughts on how they feel. but yeah its just the boards. thanks for the comment

ilovepink181 votes

i miss team builder :(

vinyl scratch8081 votes

As someone who has played both blind pick and team build i loved team builder. i pretty much played only blind till i got to level 25. pretty much all my time playing blind was with toxic people and for the most part the toxic players would make me feel terrible (as someone who suffers depression this really made my time playing any game in blind pick miserable) once i found out about team builder i really started to have fun. i got to play pretty much the very few characters i am decent/good with which is all support characters. i got along with pretty much all my teammates and even had enjoyable conversations while playing. most of the time if i was on the losing side of a the match i was still able to have a good time with my team. wining wasn't the main focus. it was having fun.

blind and draft forces me to play with the people who made league of legends a terrible experience for me. also being more of a casual playing myself team builder was just a much more enjoyable experience for me. i do not have all the time to learn to play handfuls of characters, and with team builder it allowed me to play exactly what i wanted. if i am just playing 1-2 games a day it was nice to play exactly what i wanted. the queue time was never an issue with me, and if my teammates and i had a long wait time we normally just talked or i would just use the wait time to get other things done.

it doesn't bother me if riot wants to test out the new character selection with blind and draft pick. do what ever you want, go crazy with it haha. but i don't see why riot had to get rid of team builder altogether. team builder was never hurting anyone to my knowledge but to my knowledge i think the player base for team builder was quite strong. there isn't any reason the new character selection and team builder cant co-exists i think, but like i said before, i think its unreasonable to get ride of team builder altogether.

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