Got out of a game

Final Spark Lux·Aug 26, 2017·4 votes·606 views

Before the game started, I was getting heckled a bit about going support Lux, so I whipped out the shurelia quote to them. Please don't downvote just because you don't like Lux support ;_;

"Lux is a caster with a support emphesis. She specializes in controlling the battlefield with the constant threat of her crowd control abilities. She is similar to Morgana in playstyle, although her focus is more on her control and support aspects. ~ Miyuki "Shurelia" Mitsuhashi (Lux's Designer)"

Did fairly well that game (I think). After the game, one of the people on my team asked me for tips on Lux support because they wanted to play her as support. That just really made my day. It's just nice when someone actually cares about your input for once. I just wanted to share that. -looks dramatically to the sky- Thanks teamies...

31 Comments

Dasdi96Aug 26, 20173 votes

Lux support isn't even that bad if the player actually tries to be supportive and not apc.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

Thanks :D

FütanariAug 26, 20172 votes

As others have said on the forums before: Lux support is a mid laner who didn't get mid and will take ignite and KS you all day. And don't even think about having a SS that game.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

Grats on being one of the sheep. Not everybody is the same.

Darkdemon653Aug 26, 20171 votes

Shurelia left in season 1 or 2, yes? In what way is a viewpoint of the game back then relevant to now?

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

Maybe reread it. It explains what Lux was designed for

Darkdemon653Aug 26, 20171 votes

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Maybe reread it. It explains what Lux was designed for

It goes over what her original intention was. It has nothing to do with what she is supposed to be now or what she actually is now.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

She hasn't changed in 7 years, shes the same Lux. Nobody is gonna know better about Lux than the person who designed her

DunkinNoobsAug 26, 20171 votes

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Maybe reread it. It explains what Lux was designed for

Shurelia played ghost/ignite Leona mid, so maybe take anything she said with a grain of salt.

Lux is not a good support when compared to literally every support that's been released in the past 5 years. She simply doesn't have the tools to compete with the likes of Thresh, Nami, Bard, Rakan, etc.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

You're comparing oranges to tomatoes. All supports are completely different, and accomplish different tasks. You can't compare Lux to someone like thresh or rakan who dive into a teamfight, or nami / bard who occasionally heal. Doesn't matter what she played, Lux was designed to be supporty, that's all there is to it. And FYI, a lot of stuff used to be considered normal that some people now think is bad. It wasn't unheard of to have a Leona win mid. I've personally done it.

DunkinNoobsAug 26, 20171 votes

What support are you going to compare Lux to in order to make her look good?

There simply isn't one. Other mage supports do the same things she does but far better. There's a reason her winrate as a support is 46%; she doesn't have the tools to compete with other supports whether it be fellow mages like Brand and Malz or shielding champs like Janna and Lulu.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

There is no need to compare her to anyone. Other mage supports don't have the same kit or playstyle, once again comparing 2 totally different things. Winrate is irrelevant. Does winrate mean everybody on that champion will have 46% winrate? No, of course not. Someone could have 0% winrate, while another person has 100%. I only play her as support and have a much higher winrate than that. I win my lane often. Kinda disproves your theory that she doesn't "have the tools to compete with other supports"

DunkinNoobsAug 26, 20171 votes

You can play Lux support if you want. Just know that it's objectively bad and that you're handicapping yourself by doing it. Lux is reliant on stacking high amounts of AP for her damage to stay relevant and as a support, you will always be forced to choose between going support items for your team or going AP and trying to take over the game. AP supports like Zyra and Brand have such high base damages that they are not forced to make this choice and are objectively better supports than Lux for that reason. Congratulation, you're winning with Lux support. Good for you. Still doesn't mean it's anywhere near good or that I'm not going to groan when my team picks it.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

I'm not handicapping myself by playing something I'm both skilled at and comfortable with. You're always better of picking a champion you know how to play over picking something that could potentially be better in the matchup, but you know nothing about that champion. A champion doesn't NEED to one shot someone to be relevant. Please stop thinking you know what Lux NEEDS to build to stay relevant, because you obviously don't.

I don't think you understand the differences between champions, because you're once again comparing things that aren't even close to similar. There is a giant difference between someone who has a kit to peel, and someone who just AoE's everything to shit. Of course they don't have to make the decision to build support or AP. They have nothing in their kit that warrants them building any support items.

DunkinNoobsAug 26, 20172 votes

I know that a Lux that isn't a threat to burst people really doesn't scare me and I say that as someone who plays mainly bruisers and other melee divers. If all you have to throw against me is your Q, I'm going to murder your adc. You have nowhere near the amount of peel of all the cancerous supports that Riot has released in the past few years and you also don't have the damage to scare me off like a Zyra and Brand does. You may think you're doing a supports job just fine as Lux. You know what I think as a champ that has to consistently dive past or through supports? I think Lux is one of the worst "supports" you can pick while still technically qualifying as a support. Your Q on a 7 second CD at max CDR is not going to deter me to nearly the degree that a Braum, Thresh, Lulu, etc. does, and your damage will not deter me to nearly the degree that a Brand or Zyra would. Nothing about support Lux scares me as a bruiser/juggernaut/melee carry main. Nothing. I'm just going to lock in Yasuo, laugh, and 1v2 you and your adc effortlessly as soon as I get a single item.

I literally have this same exact argument with a friend of mine who is a Nami main. He insists Nami is the best support in the game and has for years. I consistently tell him that, as someone who mains champs intended to kill adcs, Nami is one of the easiest supports in the game to outplay. The only thing scary about Nami as a diver or assassin is her exhaust and that doesn't even have anything to do with the Nami. Now take Nami, multiply her uselessness by 2 and you have support Lux. You have 1 long cd spell that can be used as actual peel and your shield is an absolute joke in most situations while your poke and burst threat fall off a cliff after the early game unless you get fed and get lots of AP. What about that sounds good to you? Get out of your own head for a moment and think from the perspective of someone that's playing against a Lux support. Beyond your early poke, why should I give a shit about you? Outside of getting fed, I can't really think of many reasons compared to real supports. You don't deter dives. You don't do tons of indiscriminate AOE damage. You don't poke the enemy into submission. You don't provide powerful utility to your team the way a Soraka does.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

You obviously haven't played against any decent Lux supports, because she's a whole lot more than a Q. As for you locking in yasuo, that wouldn't phase me in the slightest. He's actually one of the easier people to peel off my team.

Let me guess, you lost your promos because of one bad Lux support and now you can't stop bashing her any chance you get? Or does it go deeper than that, and you just have to come along and try to ruin someone's good mood because you can't be happy, and that's what this is all about?

Hate to break it to you, but all of what you just typed was your opinion, and unfortunately, I couldn't care less about what you think. So gl with your games :)

DunkinNoobsAug 26, 20171 votes

Trying to make it personal is an admittance that your arguments are weak. Don't have an argument? Attack your opponent. Accuse them of bias or of being salty. Any disagreement can't possibly be based on actual reason because you're so obviously right, statistics be damned.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

Yep, I am right. Thanks for finally seeing it my way :)

EschetonAug 26, 20172 votes

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I'm not handicapping myself by playing something I'm both skilled at and comfortable with. You're always better of picking a champion you know how to play over picking something that could potentially be better in the matchup, but you know nothing about that champion. A champion doesn't NEED to one shot someone to be relevant. Please stop thinking you know what Lux NEEDS to build to stay relevant, because you obviously don't.

I don't think you understand the differences between champions, because you're once again comparing things that aren't even close to similar. There is a giant difference between someone who has a kit to peel, and someone who just AoE's everything to shit. Of course they don't have to make the decision to build support or AP. They have nothing in their kit that warrants them building any support items.

Love, natural aptitude and experience make up for a lot. But only up to a point. There is a good reason the challenger number 1 plays Akali and not Malphite. Malphite one tricks won't rise as high because they lose more, because their champion is in a terrible shape in the current meta. He is outclassed by other champs that do what he does better. And what he does is an awkward mess to all who are not intimately familiar with the champion. This applies to a far lesser degree to support Lux. She is designed to stack ap and smoke people. Picking her as a support over others avaiable is statistically a bad idea right now unless you have significantly more experience on her than any other support available. And there is a cap to that. High elo plays meta for a reason. Skill and experience only take you so far. You often hear people like Dyrus say things like "I wish they would nerf Jayce already so I can stop playing him".

So what it all boils down to is: You like playing Lux and it works for you. Great. Doesn't make it a good pick right now.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20172 votes

Opinions. It's a good pick. That's mine. I don't care what you think :)

EschetonAug 26, 20171 votes

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Opinions. It's a good pick. That's mine. I don't care what you think :)

Stay positive summoner.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

You too. Good Lux quote :D

EschetonAug 26, 20171 votes

Lux has far too lengthy cooldowns to be a good support in the current meta. And taking crd runes doesn't fix the problem because then she lacks any AP to pack enough of a punch. Yes. you can pull it off. Especially as a Lux main. But it is a risk that doesn't need to be taken.

TranquiIityAug 26, 20171 votes

This. Also the shield seems kinda lackluster

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

If you say so

hoganftwAug 26, 20171 votes

As long as you get Ardent Censor first , I'm okay.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

If my team wants it, I build it. (I did build it this game because Jhin asked me to)

SwiftKitten88Aug 26, 20171 votes

i used to play Lux support and Blitzcrank support until i picked up Morgana . (becuase when they picked blitz i was well... well crap.. now i have to lux into blitz XD). (now i mostly pick morg as u can first pick her safely into anything)

now i agree lux is a great support.. HOWEVER. you CANNOT blind pick her. she is easily countered by hard engage and if you build properly you wont get a good grade on her. (becuase you get idoit who steal all the ADC's kills and then go full AP and have a good KDA with a high amount of kills in addition to the assists which screws up her grading system)

she is a fantastic support when picked into the proper opponents. but unfortunately right now she isnt in the best spot

as i have been saying since its release item 3504 is AMAZING on her shield if you can use it on the full team. it pretty much guarantees teamfight wins. as u can cast keep it up permanently (max rank W has a 5 second cooldown with 45% cdr and since shield hits twice and lasts for 6 seconds. so... yeah) but too many people just do stupid shit and go full AP... they dont buy item 2049 they dont buy item 2055 they dont get item 3364 and they frankly give those of us who DO play her PROPERLY a bad rep.

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

I'm not worried about grades on things I play. Ill take the worst grade possible if it means my team wins. There aren't too many matchups I get worried about. There's a few, but they're mainly ADC's (kalista / lucian cause that mobility) but even then, I just change the way I play / build when I am vs something with hard engage (leona / blitz / etc).

Athenes is really good on her too, assuming you wanna keep your team alive (and I hope you do). Thanks for thinking Lux is a good support, I appreciate it :D

SwiftKitten88Aug 26, 20171 votes

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I'm not worried about grades on things I play. Ill take the worst grade possible if it means my team wins. There aren't too many matchups I get worried about. There's a few, but they're mainly ADC's (kalista / lucian cause that mobility) but even then, I just change the way I play / build when I am vs something with hard engage (leona / blitz / etc).

Athenes is really good on her too, assuming you wanna keep your team alive (and I hope you do). Thanks for thinking Lux is a good support, I appreciate it :D

yeah when i do pick her if we win i normally get something along the lines of " wow your the first good lux support i have ever gotten" form my adc.

and i normally respond "yeah, i get that a lot"

Final Spark LuxAug 26, 20171 votes

Awesome \o/