Just outplayed a vayne SO HARD right now

Final Spark Lux·Aug 14, 2017·69 votes·2,599 views

Jk, she pressed Q with her ult up and one shot me (with armor). Stomp the lane, lose the game. 15 death vayne OP

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Sleepy SonaAug 14, 201726 votes

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Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20176 votes

As a fellow support player, you should know how hard it is to get people to listen to you. You honestly think I want to be in a game for that long?

fééd l0rdAug 14, 20178 votes

Then play a carry role?

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20176 votes

I've been trying to practice mid etc, but I'm just more comfortable in the support role. I like having sightstone, and it's not that I can't CS, I just focus too much on poking the enemy, which is probably due to playing so much support, which causes me to have lousy CS. shrugs

AimléssAug 14, 20174 votes

I mean, who's to say you don't also have a shitty teammate with 15 deaths as well? Or that the enemy doesn't have a Ziggs or something, and you can't even get your minion wave anywhere near their tower without baron.

Why must there always be that one ass**** in every thread?

An Undead bratAug 14, 20172 votes

Why must there always be that one ass** in every thread?

^^^^^^

SpecterVonBarenAug 14, 20171 votes

Depends on just how bad they are. kek

LiteUpSketchersAug 14, 201715 votes

Just play Cho with RG and we'll see who is getting one shot then

dominusxAug 14, 20177 votes

Cho cuz she jsut abuses her stealth and you cant click on her.

Sraeg2013Aug 14, 20174 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-82OF6x0CU

BoilTheOilAug 14, 201711 votes

idk man says the one with lux in their name lands a q and they are dead if they are squishy

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20175 votes

True. Wouldn't want to dodge one of the slowest projectiles in the game. Wouldn't want to build literally ANY ONE MR item and completely shut my damage down.

LauchmelderAug 14, 201712 votes

To be fair you just need to spam your E (or W? The AoE One) because it's close to undodgeable if you have no mobility spell.

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20177 votes

That couldn't be further from the truth. All you have to do is keep moving and watch for her cast, then run back from it. Don't run to the side. It's travel time + the fact that shes casting at max range means you have ample time to dodge it. After she misses her E, go in on her because 100% guaranteed, her E is what shes ranking. Without it, she has no damage. I've never vs another Lux that could land an E on me if I was actively trying to avoid it. You not knowing how to play against it doesn't make it undodgeable.

LauchmelderAug 14, 20179 votes

I didn't expect an unbiased opinion.

"You not being able to respect Syndra who was stacking her balls for the past 5 seconds doesn't mean her ult is problematic." - The same BS excuse.

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20176 votes

You can call it biased if you want, but theres a reason her winrate is low, and its because other things outclass. Where she misses, others dont. As for your little comparison, my kit is 100% skill shots, 3 of which have slow travel times. Syndra's R is a point and click nuke. You can't compare the two

TheHentaiKingAug 14, 20178 votes

I think shuriman god is right though, a good lux will be able to hit her e for like 70/80% of the time, cause its really hard to actually dodge it.

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20172 votes

I've honestly never had much trouble dodging it, so Idk. Personally, I dont find it hard at all, but maybe thats because I've played her so much, I know how to play around it. If you're having trouble, build cowl. The regen / MR is good vs her poke

melletjemanAug 14, 20175 votes

Yeah lemme just buy a cowl on every midlaner ever, zed, ahri, talon, vel'koz. Good idea, totally fits in your build. And if lux wastes e and you get up close, she q's you and shuts down your complete combo.

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20171 votes

You have bigger problems if you're having trouble vs a lux as any of those. Btw, just because something doesn't give an offensive stat, doesn't mean it doesn't fit a build.

FaustavianAug 14, 20174 votes

The problem with lux isn't that she'f unfair, that's where they are wrong. It's that she's unfun because it doesn't FEEL like she's fair. he Q can go past a minion to get you, and her E is an AoE that can be burst immediately And her ult barely needs to clip you with it's bs small indicator, though you're prolly hit by her Q so you can't even dodge it. But FSL is right when she says the cowl works. Seriously, everyone with their 6 item pure damage builds can and will get blown up. That's why the guy who knows how to play well usually has at least 1 pure defense item in their build. So they can live long enough to DO the damage.

NeidoxAug 14, 20171 votes

Did you compare Lux E to Syndra's throw targeted balls at your face?

LauchmelderAug 14, 20172 votes

No, I compared one stupid attempt at defending a problematic ability to another stupid attempt trying to do the same.

Sure you can dodge her E, but you have to go out of your way to do it in a sense where you have to concentrate more on her animations and subsequently dodging the 'skillshot' rather than farming.

I'm ok if an ult makes me do that, or an ability with an ok'ish size + travel time, or even one with a long cooldown.

This means I will call Lux' E problematic until it's size gets adjusted or the CD increased simply because if you don't start dodging the moment she throws out the E she will hit (unless she's trash)

JackMcSnipeyzAug 14, 20175 votes

Then again you are lux with some of the highest range spells in the game, getting caught by vayne with one of the lowest AA range in the game. You say dodge lux Q? I say work on your positioning.

Iota ThetaAug 14, 20173 votes

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Then again you are lux with some of the highest range spells in the game, getting caught by vayne with one of the lowest AA range in the game. You say dodge lux Q? I say work on your positioning.

They're right, they weren't playing Lux..it was a Kata support.

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 20171 votes

I still had quite a bit of armor. Regardless of what champ I was playing, she shouldn't be able to quite literally 1 shot through armor with 1 roll with me at full HP and her only at 2 items. We stomped that lane btw, just nobody wanted to push anything. Not much I can do about that.

Iota ThetaAug 14, 20172 votes

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I still had quite a bit of armor. Regardless of what champ I was playing, she shouldn't be able to quite literally 1 shot through armor with 1 roll with me at full HP and her only at 2 items. We stomped that lane btw, just nobody wanted to push anything. Not much I can do about that.

By end game you were level 16 with Zhonya's and armor runes..putting you at a high of 147.5 armor. Vayne eats through tanks with higher armor, and you think you should be able to survive that as an assassin?

Depending on her 2 items, I'm gonna guess Shiv being one, not sure on the other (since op.gg doesn't show a lot of info on normals anymore), you took the damage from Crit Q with bonus damage from her ult plus the energized proc, that's a lot of damage on anyone. Vayne has to be locked down or she'll just keep tumbing around. The only CC you had was Irelia stun/slow, TF gold card, and Kayn W, but that has a slight dely and is only a hard enough CC for Vayne if he's in Darkin form.

Add to that, most players know Vayne is a late game hypercarry, if your team fails to actually push, then you screwed yourselves.

RedeemedCollinAug 14, 20173 votes

the problem with vayne (and will always be a problem till a nerf) is that her True damage is basically free. like no other character gets free true damage. and its not hard to "get 3 stacks" aka 3 auto attacks as someone who literally builds more speed than a heroin addict.

DisembarkAug 14, 20179 votes

How the fuck is it free though? If it was "free" then she'd be the most OP ADC in the game.

No, she pays for it in her kit and design. Bad lane phase, single target only DPS, no innate attack speed boost, low range, no waveclear.

Anyways, it's Shiv+IE crit that's the problem, she doesn't "1 shot" because of her W.

God this boards seems like a huge anti ADC circle jerk for over an year. Like I hate Vayne as much as the next guy but this shit is stupid tbh.

BârdAug 14, 20173 votes

If you stomp a late game hypercarry in lane, END THE GODDAMN GAME.

You bought yourself time with your early game advantage, but that doesn't mean they won't eventually scale if you spend half an hour chasing kills and spamming dance instead of PTFO.

AFilthyCaitMainAug 14, 20172 votes

A. Why were you 1v1ing her

B. Vayne cant ACTUALLY one shot you, two or three MAYBE depending on how late in the game it is

C. Your fault for letting a hypercarry get the late game

Shuyin178Aug 14, 201713 votes

1-shot in League means 1-combo. For ADCs that means killing you extremely quickly or extreme chunking with 1 hit.

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 201711 votes

Nobody was 1v1ing her, yes, she literally rolled once and crit for all my HP, and we camped her and shut her down, and it didn't make a difference. So no, not my fault

Fear the KaynAug 14, 20171 votes

Vayne isn't very good (relatively) until later in the game. Gangplank does the same thing, except he can carry even harder than Vayne IMO. Where is everyone crying for the GP nerfs?

Final Spark LuxAug 14, 201714 votes

He doesn't have an invisibility / mobility spell that makes him untargetable. At least you used to be able to deal with stealth. GP is pretty strong too, but he isn't played (I think) as much as vayne, and decent positioning / smart auto attacks can take care of his barrels.

statelesskillerAug 14, 20173 votes

like people always complain about how much damage gp does

"he just 1 shot my entire backline rito ner. opop"

my response is always . . . so why didnt you pop the fucking barrel?

Tails9016Aug 14, 20172 votes

You know the tactic where you place a barrel behind a wall and pop it when you place another one over the wall? I've done that twice in one match... in a row... and got a double kill off of it. Please get me out of silver 5

SpecterVonBarenAug 14, 20172 votes

Because you can't always do that against him when he detonates a fresh barrel that can't be auto'd with a pre set up barrel? Or the fact that popping the barrel is a 50/50 chance on who pops it first, it's about who's auto/Q hit it first

An Undead bratAug 14, 20171 votes

If yu can't reach the barrel, you are most likely not in range of the second barrel that detonates from the first one - or you are just on the edge of it's range.

And no, it's 50/50 only when people skills are low, otherwise it's about your timing and AA animation length knowledge.

SpecterVonBarenAug 15, 20171 votes

What? No, that's not how that works with his barrel tricks.

And the 50/50 is because if both players are skilled then it can come down to who clicked a milisecond faster than the other which with that kind of split second precision is based on luck far more than skill.

An Undead bratAug 15, 20171 votes

I play GP ALOT, I know how the tricks work, tri-part and two-part combos: tri-part is one of the more telegraphed combos in the game and two-part is extremely hard to do and if you can do it, you deserve the damage with little to no counterplay. My exact same opinion as on Shurima shuffle

statelesskillerAug 15, 20171 votes

hmm. most team comps right now im pretty sure involve more then 3 champs. whats that he placed a barrel? 3 of you auto it at the same time. CONGRATS. there is no risk of failure. gps casts times is simply to long for him to do anything about this unless he tripple barrels which is easily predicted and wastes the majority of his barrels so if he does that ENGAGE

ninjaroxasAug 14, 20172 votes

He also has maybe the worse early game

dominusxAug 14, 20173 votes

not really you can fight a lot of shit with long sword lvl 1 and 15 ad page.

ninjaroxasAug 14, 20171 votes

Never really seen anyone run that before, i also did say maybe the worse, i just can't think of anyone else other then kayn now i guess

statelesskillerAug 14, 20173 votes

you dont see anyone run it because if you dont kill them at level 2 you lose lane because you have no mana . . . its VERY risky, but at the same time kinda snowbally if you do it right

dominusxAug 14, 20171 votes

hey hey on point there lad. Plus if you go that you go exhaust to cheese aswell so as soon as you run oom without killing eople lane over permanently. + doran shield rapes the cheese nowadays.

statelesskillerAug 14, 20171 votes

it sucks too because your passive constantly refreshes doran shield regen so early on your dot guts your own damage output . . . cant even manplank them damnit

ninjaroxasAug 14, 20172 votes

Seems like you'd have to have a pretty lucky match up as well