Please make junglers less gank relient and more farm relient

ankoanko19·11/7/2018, 12:13:55 AM·46 votes·11,984 views

Why is it okay for junglers to camp the living hell out of one role( mostly toplane ) and still be near the same xp as the other jungler who farmed all game? I liked it a lot more when camps respawned quicker but the xp was a lot shorter than rn.

I also miss the smite buffs but I guess thats never gonna come back either way so it would be asking for nothing.

But tldr bring back more farm heavy jungle meta and less " imma camp u with 0 consequences " meta.

25 Comments

Namîste11/7/2018, 12:20:07 AM15 votes

It's the farm that gives the junglers more XP then ganking. Whenever I'm ahead in levels it's generally because I have more farm then the enemy jungler...or I stayed in a lane too long and soaked up experience (which is not what you want to do anyways!).

If a laner keeps over pushing, not warding, their flash is down and still playing too bold then why shouldn't a jungler camp? It's a free kill!

The "imma camp u with 0 consequences" meta means dragons are gone if they just staying top lane...their bot jungle is gone cause imma invading it and taking it and if your jungler is smart they will counter gank or push and get bot/mid ahead.

AkumaGami11/7/2018, 8:15:27 AM12 votes

Because then you'll complain about Udyr junglers afk-farming all game. I think you mean to look for some middle ground in between because I'd want my jungler to have Some presence in the game, just not cost me the lane over a kill or two in gold.

Sometimes Fizz11/7/2018, 5:47:12 PM5 votes

I just want to see a world where tank junglers are relevant again.

oortoomeebreesuu11/7/2018, 6:38:30 PM3 votes

There needs to be a balance, right? The game can't go back to where only Olaf/Shyvana were fast enough to farm, but this Xin/Graves/Lee crap sucks.

hewhodoesnotcare11/7/2018, 3:11:09 PM2 votes

U see I think someone some riot or the balance team. Lost hard to a jungler and is now trying to cripple said jungler by nerfing xp but that didn't work out so they nerf dark harvest. But that didn't work out so they r hitting xp again. #riothatesjungle

Cavesloth11/7/2018, 6:11:04 AM2 votes

Yeah riot WILL not do that now matter how much WE want it. They want MUH FLASHY LCS PLAYS.

Leetri11/7/2018, 2:23:05 PM2 votes

I'd rather not go back to when Shyvana or Udyr would be missing the entire game and then suddenly turn up at 25 minutes with a full build and there's nothing you could do about it. There should be a middle ground, as with a lot of things.

Gravesinger11/7/2018, 3:08:06 PM2 votes

It's not 'imma camp you with zero consequences' meta. If you're being camped and the enemy team is not feeling the pain because of it, it's because your jungler is bad.

I play mostly top lane these days, and I can confirm- when Nidalee is chucking spears at you every ten seconds from river (and when she does leave you alone, you're still up against brain damage inducing fair and balanced Victor top), it's pretty easy to get tilted. But here's the thing- while the enemy jungler is bedding down in your lane, there are two lanes and a jungle that she is not in.

One of the biggest issues at hand with jungling is that many players don't realize getting hard camped is a good thing if your jungler isn't awful. I play Aatrox all the time, so my main strategy is hard bully, push to turret and try to draw the enemy jungler out. Sometimes I die, sometimes I don't, but either way, it leaves both other lanes and neutral objectives open for my jungler to attack while theirs is occupied. In fact, it is rather easy to put a camping jungler at a deficit simply by stealing camps while they are ganking, as they won't be able to fall back to their jungle for XP after a failed gank.

Tldr; if your jungler is smart, the game might not be super fun for you, but your team will thank you for being a distraction. Exercise patience and try to remember that you could very well be helping your team find a win.

mack911211/7/2018, 6:09:57 PM2 votes

But there are entire champion kits that revolve around being strong gankers ?

PlantagenNega11/8/2018, 6:57:07 PM2 votes

I think jungle should be more about going for vision and dragons instead of one specific champion that just has no fun for an entire hour

LTK KoRo11/7/2018, 8:21:36 AM1 votes

Currently you get more experience from taxing your laners than taking camps, so i'd say we could give better rewards for taking camps.

5050BS11/8/2018, 7:03:27 PM1 votes

Jungle is the hardest role to balance I think.

Kawaii DvaSan11/7/2018, 7:42:48 AM1 votes

you can freely decide weather to farm or gank

Fear the Kayn11/7/2018, 7:17:17 PM1 votes

Yeah that’s why I love Dark Harv-

Oh wait...now it’s gank reliant for some reason.

Phoneixflare11/7/2018, 9:00:43 PM1 votes

gonna have to disagree with this. the farm meta(remember devourer?) was not fun and while lanes would suffer the junglers could just farm, but that doesnt promote helping your teammates and instead promotes solitary tunnel play which isnt conducive to a team game experience. Plus, how is ganking not fun for you like forcing fights is partially what the game is about because then you take objectives. If you want a farm simulator maybe play nasus in the toplane, but dont touch the jungle. There's also a difference between farming efficiently and then ganking or only focusing on ganking(to varying success) because you should ALWAYS be trying to farm in order to keep up in xp or gold, but also take opportunities as they arise to gank and take leads/make leads or advantages for the team. That is exactly what a jgler is supposed to be doing, and it requires immense focus and concentration. I am sad about the dark harvest changes because it diversified the meta junglers, but ultimately this means that maybe in the future they will tune/buff other runes for a more jglers to make them more viable.

hewhodoesnotcare11/7/2018, 2:31:06 PM1 votes

if u read this most junglers dont like camping top lane. for specific reasons

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xGJnav0n-as-a-jungler-what-do-you-hate

Also Riot ATM - We need to nerf jungling junglers are having too much impact on the game.

Later that day -Junglers are not having an impact on the game and are staying in the jungle too much. nerfs said runes aka dark harvest to force junglers to gank more

Power Cosmic11/7/2018, 4:59:14 PM1 votes

If carrying out of lane becomes more risky or harder, that would definitely be a possibility and good for gameplay. But as long as designed early game hard carries like lane assassins are strong/safe picks and lane bullies can carry it isn't really viable. There should be strong laners who do not carry , and imo most legit carrying should be a late game thing (like with marksmen in prior metas, but with differing carries that includes not just marksmen).

For those good enough, there are champs to bypass that (to a point (the point being til others catch up late)): Yasuo Riven Irelia