I'm a S1 vet

GigglesO·Oct 3, 2017·7 votes·367 views

And I don't watch pro play. I have never watched pro play, and I don't care about pro play.

Please stop balancing the game around making it exciting to watch. That type of balancing makes it awful to play. Sure it was fun watching a tristana instantly press 4 buttons and kill someone... you know how that feels to play against? Like shit. Oh lets not forget, if it doesn't work she just inted a kill by jumping into melee range...

#SUPER FUN #EXCITING #BIGPLAYS

Seriously, please balance out the game already...

21 Comments

Teriyaki BukkakeOct 3, 20172 votes

How does this have downvotes?....

TakazakiOct 4, 20172 votes

because its a QQ post with no value

Teriyaki BukkakeOct 4, 20172 votes

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because its a QQ post with no value

It still has value: it's pointing out that instead of making a game for the sake of making a game, they're making the game to be appealing, much like how fast food chains show their food on adds looking super delicious and perfectly made, only for you to arrive, order your food, and then ultimately be disappointed as that awesome tasty food you THOUGHT you were getting actually is a mess and tastes nothing like how its described. How they patch champions can seem like a good idea or that it'll fix things, but in the long run everything changes so that it has more wow factor.

TakazakiOct 4, 20172 votes

ok let me break this down how not only does the OP have no value in his post, but you added literally nothing to support him but a vague analogy that means nothing in context.

he said

Please stop balancing the game around making it exciting to watch. That type of balancing makes it awful to play which does not happen, why? Tristana is an Marksmen, in literally no case expect maybe 20/0 at 15 minutes is this possible. furhter more any adc who uses mobility to chase or kill without the full team supporting her is bad, period. no matter the balencing or meta or anything. pro play does not do this.

he then lists off 3 words that have no connection to the post or topic other then memes.
lastly you made a case of

How they patch champions can seem like a good idea or that it'll fix things, but in the long run everything changes so that it has more wow factor.

but then provided no evidence to back this up.

this thread and your comment have no value.

Teriyaki BukkakeOct 4, 20172 votes

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ok let me break this down how not only does the OP have no value in his post, but you added literally nothing to support him but a vague analogy that means nothing in context.

he said which does not happen, why? Tristana is an Marksmen, in literally no case expect maybe 20/0 at 15 minutes is this possible. furhter more any adc who uses mobility to chase or kill without the full team supporting her is bad, period. no matter the balencing or meta or anything. pro play does not do this.

he then lists off 3 words that have no connection to the post or topic other then memes.

lastly you made a case of

but then provided no evidence to back this up.

this thread and your comment have no value.

No you just fail to see the message in his post.

If the post had no point to it, he wouldn't be making it. He very clearly and quite obviously is upset about the state and the direction that the balancing of this game has/is taking: that it (in his eyes) is solely balanced around pro play, and that instead of balancing the game they do things to make it more "cinematic" as to create and sustain the hype of big plays that are made at worlds or among pro players.
The three words are a sarcastic representation from his perspective of the game regarding it's balance, OR he's trying to sarcastically highlight how the game is balanced for big plays and the hype and excitement that it creates, so they are definitely relevant to both the topic and his post.
I'm trying to show you what he was saying through MY interpretation of what he said in reply to your post of it having no value, as to start a proper discussion.
Both the OP and my OC have value, maybe not to you, and that's great that you have an opinion by the way, but if you're going to shut others down for no reason it's perhaps best for you to not comment!

If you're trying to act like some sort of edgy white knight then stop. If you're tilted from a game, then stop, go and cooldown, there is no point being toxic on the boards. If you don't agree with what he has said or DON'T UNDERSTAND OR REALISE what he has said/is trying to say, don't revert to a toxic and stuck up attitude. Actually contribute to the conversation positively and do something good on his and your behalf or just don't comment at all and save your energy!

Just keep it friendly is all you have to do! :)

GigglesOOct 4, 20172 votes

Your interpretation was actually spot on. I liked the hamburger analogy. Have you seen how they made those commercials and pictures before CG? It was pretty nasty. Now with CG it is alot easier, but you can still see that they are showing off that this is great and exciting when really it is stomp or get stomped, which turns out for me far from exciting.

Teriyaki BukkakeOct 5, 20172 votes

Thanks man :) But omg yes, it's super done up and made to look like this godly product, but it really is quite one sided at the moment, sometimes it just isn't worth playing at all :/ good luck out there though!

TakazakiOct 5, 20171 votes

Pretty good meme, alright i'll bite this bait.

ok so first off

the post had no point to it, he wouldn't be making it

already called out why he was making it, its a QQ post. Further more i never denied he was right. This game is balenced around pro play.

for a reason.

had he bother to attempt literally anything on asking why or saying what needs to be changed i would have pointed this out. but he didn't because this a low effort post.

2 ) sarcasm=/= fact ( obviously ) so he backed his complaint up with something that is worthless to meaningful discussion. again without siting anything else to support his argument. low effort & pointless

you're implying i didn't understand what the OP was trying to convey. i did, which is why i called him out on a no value QQ post.
no they don't. both of you neither had anything of value I.E factual evidence, statistics, any form of proof that this type of balancing is disruptive to game health or quality.

you both factually & literally had no value in your statements.

also lul

If you're trying to act like some sort of edgy white knight then stop.

insult me then say

there is no point being toxic on the boards

don't revert to a toxic and stuck up attitude

Just keep it friendly is all you have to do! :)

then to add it on you want me to join your circle jerk echo chamber

Actually contribute to the conversation positively and do something good on his and your behave

edit: TLDR: Prove what you're saying rather then just saying something and expecting anyone to care. it's why his post is getting downvoted.

because its a low effort post

Edit edit: this is how you complain about balence. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/h6Kvcalx-magic-penetration-items-are-a-little-bit-uh

i don't agree with this man what so ever. but he at least took the time to have an actual thought before he type'd something down. rather then just HRRRRRR ME nO likE GamE HRRRR ( i would say I'm sarcastic but I'm not, because that sentience has about as much worth as both your posts put together. no offence OP)

Teriyaki BukkakeOct 5, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Pretty good meme, alright i'll bite this bait.

ok so first off

already called out why he was making it, its a QQ post. Further more i never denied he was right. This game is balenced around pro play.

for a reason.

had he bother to attempt literally anything on asking why or saying what needs to be changed i would have pointed this out. but he didn't because this a low effort post.

2 ) sarcasm=/= fact ( obviously ) so he backed his complaint up with something that is worthless to meaningful discussion. again without siting anything else to support his argument. low effort & pointless

you're implying i didn't understand what the OP was trying to convey. i did, which is why i called him out on a no value QQ post.

no they don't. both of you neither had anything of value I.E factual evidence, statistics, any form of proof that this type of balancing is disruptive to game health or quality.

you both factually & literally had no value in your statements.

also lul

insult me then say

then to add it on you want me to join your circle jerk echo chamber

edit: TLDR: Prove what you're saying rather then just saying something and expecting anyone to care. it's why his post is getting downvoted.

because its a low effort post

Edit edit: this is how you complain about balence. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/h6Kvcalx-magic-penetration-items-are-a-little-bit-uh

i don't agree with this man what so ever. but he at least took the time to have an actual thought before he type'd something down. rather then just HRRRRRR ME nO likE GamE HRRRR ( i would say I'm sarcastic but I'm not, because that sentience has about as much worth as both your posts put together. no offence OP)

Well I mean they both factually didn't have anything to them, but they do have value and I still don't understand how you can say that, seeing as you actually replied to his post implying that what he said had enough value. Value: "consider (someone or something) to be important" And you are replying to all of these messages on this thread so, yeah, you yourself believe there is value to this, so pls stop saying that.

And instead of asking why he feels this way, you decide that simply saying his post has no value and is meaningless was the better approach, while on a message board deliberately made so people could talk about in game issues in a positive community based light. Got it.

You even say that you understand it, YET STILL you say it has no value, while you reply here again on this thread, ignoring that this post having no value is your opinion, and not everyone elses.

Also learn your definitions if you're going to use them to try shut people down: there are no facts or stats here, but it does in fact literally have value, like you can't just go around the boards and see an opinion you don't agree with and say that it has no value because that's what you think. That's quite arrogant.

No I didn't insult you; a lot of people on these boards act as if they are the absolute voice of reason on the board even if they aren't a herald or warden, and they act like a moral superior or as if their voice means more than others, and that's what you're doing here. The "white knight" comment was just a generalisation and I'm sorry if you took offence to that.

The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on the OP. I'll say it again, I'm not reinstating or backing up HIS opinion, I was simply trying to add a layer of transparency to help you two have a conversation about this all.

And implying that you need whatever you define as "effort" to make a post at all is just wrong, if you feel something is wrong in the game by all means post it on the boards, even if it is just how you feel about the position of the game, much like the OP here, so a proper discussion can take place.

Lastly, please stop being stuck up. I understand that you don't like or agree with what he has said but you're deliberately trying to belittle the OPs post and my post because you just simply can or don't agree. "HRRRRRR ME nO likE GamE HRRRR" is not equal to: "And I don't watch pro play. I have never watched pro play, and I don't care about pro play. Please stop balancing the game around making it exciting to watch. That type of balancing makes it awful to play. Sure it was fun watching a tristana instantly press 4 buttons and kill someone... you know how that feels to play against? Like shit. Oh lets not forget, if it doesn't work she just inted a kill by jumping into melee range... SUPER FUN EXCITING BIGPLAYS Seriously, please balance out the game already..."

Either reply to the OP with something meaningful and evidence based as you so desire, or don't reply at all, and simply leave all of this behind to at least prove that you find no value in what he has said.

Hope you both have a nice day

GigglesOOct 5, 20172 votes

Yea, people that argue mindlessly pretty much just don't read the boards...

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/t1sEJUPd-all-else-equal-our-philosophy-is-you-shouldnot-feel-compelled-to-pick-a-champion-because-itos-op

"Similarly a champion that's balanced for high tier ranked (which is what we most often focus balance on)"

There are actually all sorts of riot posts out there about this material, and how they won't buff garen, because he would be too much of a free win in bronze. Honestly part of the point of my posts is satire, because I don't want to put down every little fact into a post. When you do that, there leaves no discussion.

As far as information goes, I've been on the boards since S1 as well, and I've read most of what riot talks about. The sad reality is that they only care about making money. The game shifted extremely towards damage and lcs when riot was bought out by I want to say tencent. Each season damage has been buffed, and tanking nerfed. "drawn out lane phases are boring"

So yea, he just needs to actually read red comments.

TakazakiOct 5, 20171 votes

riot generally balances around Plat+ ( a handful of exceptions ) but thats about all you're right about.

top lane is a bramble vest meta

we just got out of the cinder hulk meta a session ago

chanters only just became viable bot lane due to ardent

before that it was tanks ( and before that mages )

further more yes, drawn out lane phases are objectively boring. look at the LCS meta just what a year or 2 ago.

lane swaps to avoid direct interaction and starve out 1 player to make them irreverent till 30 minutes when they have been allowed to farm ( or not in dyrus's case ). that is objectively boring to watch a 15 minute turtle.

What tencent did is try to monetize the shit out of leauge. skins being pushed with icons, Loot boxes, Cromas. NOT balance changes.

The game shifted to damage when first blood towers and reworked runes came in.

why? because with everyone hitting power spikes early towers became objectively weaker, so the meta became smart rotational play around towers and dive comps ( that was nerf'd later ) rather then 5v5 team fight metas. so OFC people want damage earlier.

riot has to buff ADC items just for them to keep up with the pace of the game and be relivent outside of being 5/0

TakazakiOct 5, 20171 votes

So Tldr

i have no evidence to support the OP, nor did i ( or will i ) form any argument of my own and am posting purely because you think my words have no value and that bothers me.

did i get that right? or are you going to throw some more passive aggressive ad hominem my way and play it off like you were trying to define me as a person rather then the actual use of that word/term?

Also i don't think this thread has value, i literally said

Pretty good meme, alright i'll bite this bait

To be frank, im mocking you.[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Teriyaki BukkakeOct 5, 20171 votes

No, you got it really, really wrong, despite me clarifying this to you multiple times already. I simply tried to clarify why his post had merit/value, and at no point did I say that I agree with him or that he is correct OR wrong. There is no argument here, but you think there is for whatever reason. So I will say this once again just so you don't fabricate my stance on this matter: I'm not agreeing with the OP nor am I disagreeing, I simply tried to convey what he said to you in a manner that I had hoped would provide clarity and might show you that this does in fact have value, which it may not to you, but again that's your opinion. There!

And no I'm not attacking you as a person, I have made this about what you have said. I originally tried to clarify what he was saying and that his post has a point in light of your comment. I pointed out that you are coming back here constantly, which you are. I called you out on having an opinion on the OP which is not only quite negative but also contradictory to your actions. I called you out for trying to enforce your opinion as fact. I haven't tried to define you as a person at all. And the only one being passive aggressive here is you.

Look I'm sorry if you don't like what the OP posted, and I'm sorry if you don't agree with what he or I have said, but under no circumstances is your disagreement grounds to be negative and passive aggressive on all of this.

Hopefully you can forgive me/the poster! :)

Adios

MordepoolOct 3, 20172 votes

I've always wanted to know how many of us old timers are still playing. S1 was chaos and fun

GigglesOOct 4, 20171 votes

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I've always wanted to know how many of us old timers are still playing. S1 was chaos and fun

I know some of it is nostalga, but there were so many choices of things that we could do with each champion, it was just loads of fun. Stacking tiamats, philo stones, sunfirecape, warmogs, blood thirsters, or even getting 100% dodge with 2.5 AS. Man now its I built a combination of 8 items (each champs itemset) and bam I win because I pressed everything first or bam I lose because I didn't.

Mysticman89Oct 4, 20171 votes

FWIW, there has been at least one instance of a tristana jumping in, and instantly getting deleted for it during worlds this year, much to the disbelief of the casters.

I only watch worlds, and ignore pro play otherwise. It can be interesting to see what the pinnacle of play looks like, but high end play (as in 'only' lcs or other regional stuff) is not the pinnacle so I'd rather be playing myself.

That said, trying to balance for everyone is really quite hard. If everything is balanced for the majority (i.e. silver), then basically everyone gold+ is going to have no fun since most champs would be stupidly OP in their hands. League as an esport also more or less dies, which like it or not would significantly hurt leagues popularity and in turn revenues.

They do aim to balance for around plat or so for all but a couple patches of the year. Balancing anything is hard of course so they don't necessarily ever have it perfect even them, but plat is low enough that most people can at least believe they could aspire to that sort of play, yet high enough that the skill differential between them and pro usually isn't unbearable (although you certain see far few viable picks in pro compared to in plat [where almost everything is viable]).

GigglesOOct 4, 20171 votes

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They do aim to balance for around plat or so for all but a couple patches of the year. Balancing anything is hard of course so they don't necessarily ever have it perfect even them, but plat is low enough that most people can at least believe they could aspire to that sort of play, yet high enough that the skill differential between them and pro usually isn't unbearable (although you certain see far few viable picks in pro compared to in plat [where almost everything is viable]).

Plat balanced ha, its the absolute worst shit show there is.... They balance for bronze and silver and pro play.

Mysticman89Oct 5, 20171 votes

Ok, so if you think them trying to balance for plat results in things balanced for bronze/silver/pro (which is a weird combination I don't think I agree with), what elo do you think they should be trying to balance for?

If they're somehow managing to get a balanced game for bronze/silver (where the majority are) and pro (where esports resides), then even if they're failing at what they claim to be doing (balancing for plat), it sounds like they actually accomplished a near ideal balance where almost everyone is happy except mid-high elo players.

DariusDemiurgeOct 4, 20171 votes

LCS and worlds is a mistake.

TakazakiOct 5, 20171 votes

tell that to riots bank accounts

ShiznyteOct 4, 20171 votes

Trist is a Problem I agree... I think the part that makes me the most upset about her is that her Attack Speed Steroid (which gets up to 100%) costs 0 mana... Seems like a problem and from what i can tell it was given to her to help with wave clear early on, but she doesn't need help shoving with her E passive, so it was a bit confusing to me why this change still happened. Not many Mana based heros have skills that Cost no Mana especially when that Skill is a Huge Attack Speed steroid. Champions like Kayle who have a no Mana Ult, but that is a much different skill than Trist's Q and I feel like for kayle not being able to Ult is a big deal.