I feel like this is an incredibly long time for these things to be on the ground. Shouldn't such a powerful spell be slightly harder to pick up, or am I missing something?
MysterQ38 votesI mean, if I never use flash or an item, Zoe essentially has no W.
GigglesO9 votes" Some minions also drop a spell shard when Zoe kills them. "
Chembaron Yamada70 votesShe may take my life, but she will never take my flash! https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/koc/images/e/e6/Braveheart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110523000343
MysterQ8 votes
Steal these Zoe.
HA, shows you.
Serious question. She only steals enemy spells right? Otherwise allied 
would be nuts on objectives.
Chembaron Yamada23 votesJust works on enemies and the occasional minion drop.
(I knew these sneaky sneaks have flash equipped, too. Their reflexes are just too bad to dodge the enemy skillshot with it)
Cucoo52 votesNo, they're just flashing into your skillshots. Cause how else would you explain that one minion that always suddenly appears between you and your desired target and body blocks the entire shot?
Automated Riven1 votesI can see Zoe going against a split push and being able to follow because she can pick up their tp. Which would be bonkers being honest.
Mhihnj1 voteslol she would bubble them at the last sec then pick up tp and follow
Automated Riven1 votesI thought about that. But that would depend on the split pusher.
WacingTheFind1 votesJust imagine, Zoe interrupting the enemy tp gank with bubble, stealing it, and then ganking with it, turning a about to be 2v3 into a 3v2.
Mhihnj2 votesImagine her using her bubble at the last second so the top laner arrives asleep. The guy wastes his tp, potentially dies, misses cs and gives zoe a tp.
WacingTheFind4 votesI would be tilted for a week if that happened to me.
Starcraft243ver1 votesThe shards are dropped upon arrival I think because in the the video viktor flashes and the shard is created at his arrival location.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesGot confirmed that the teleport drops where the cast is started, though.
Mighty Mortein1 votes
HA, shows you.
Serious question. She only steals enemy spells right? Otherwise allied
"What are you gonna do, Zoe? TP to catch up to me? Good luck using Clarity as a gapcloser as well. :)"
Tails901613 votesSo Double lift can't use flash at next worlds AGAIN?
WrÆth1 votesImagine jungle zoe. You can't flash away from her first gank since she essentially has 2 flashes.
TheGoomyGamer2 votesDoublelift hard counter to Zoe?
Penns12 votesPretty sure they dont last 40s on the ground, they last 40s when you pick them up
GigglesO1 votesThat could be it, if that is what I missed.
Uchiha Lunaky1 votesThey last 60s if you pick them
Fondling Gems7 votesI think it is to facilitate her ability to gank other lanes. Mid laners are meant to be pretty good roamers, especially kill focused ones. Her kit points to it too with her E traveling further over walls and whatnot.
40 seconds tends to be a good time for roaming. It facilitates the "Bot lane flashed, come gank Zoe." while also putting a time limiter on her to get down there to make use of it. Generally it takes about 20 seconds to get to another lane without boots, considering Zoe doesn't appear to have a ton of waveclear early and it is based on what enemies use summoners, not up to her discretion 40 seconds seems about right. Unlike a good number of other roamers her mobility doesn't actually let her get there any faster either, unless she happened to pick up ghost or something.
PopcornBunni1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nALv9bwY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-07T23:47:33.052+0000)
I think it is to facilitate her ability to gank other lanes. Mid laners are meant to be pretty good roamers, especially kill focused ones. Her kit points to it too with her E traveling further over walls and whatnot.
40 seconds tends to be a good time for roaming. It facilitates the "Bot lane flashed, come gank Zoe." while also putting a time limiter on her to get down there to make use of it. Generally it takes about 20 seconds to get to another lane without boots, considering Zoe doesn't appear to have a ton of waveclear early and it is based on what enemies use summoners, not up to her discretion 40 seconds seems about right. Unlike a good number of other roamers her mobility doesn't actually let her get there any faster either, unless she happened to pick up ghost or something.
I'd assume the bubble drops have a range necessary to them. Global minions randomly dropping powerful spells for a single character would be not just busted, but a cause for major screen clutter when it isn't relevant most of the time.
10 seconds would be plenty to make use of them during a skirmish.
nm10102 votesI'd assume the bubble drops have a range necessary to them. Global minions randomly dropping powerful spells for a single character would be not just busted, but a cause for major screen clutter when it isn't relevant most of the time.
She has to last hit the minions so I think those only occur near her, actual uses of summoners are global though for ganking (like it was stated above).
Brain Errör 4045 votesShe has to walk directly over them, and she has to hit the minions herself (actually last hit) to get the item. Zoe also only has ONE damage ability so is nowhere near as busted as people seem to think. Though, when that ONE ability hits from a fair distance... it hits hard.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesHer passive gives her damage, too. And it is stated that she deals additional magic damage against drowsy targets with the first hit.
We don't know the numbers yet, but stating that she just has 1 damage ability is wrong.
Fondling Gems2 votesTechnically all her abilities other than ult do damage. Her W also applies her passive so it is basically a 75% AP scaling targeted ability.
Her passive really isn't anything to sneeze at damage wise either. Half as much damage as a lich bane, but no CD. Her Q is definitely a big chunk of her damage, but definitely no more than 60% of it in most situations, and in drawn out fights where she can't set up for long distance Q's I expect her passive to play a big role in her damage output.
Durzaka1 votesHe passive only has 25% ap scaling, and her W wouldnt proc it 3 times unless the wording is a straight lie.
Kloqdq1 votesEach proc of W makes your passive activate from what I understand.
RavenMagus1 votesHer W procs the passive, as in, if your passive is up then a hit from W will also add in the passive damage proc so you don't have to autoattack. But casting W will only proc the passive itself once.
If you cast other spells while your W is going off then the additional procs will go off on W hits.
Kloqdq1 votesReally? Must have misread had the passive and W works.
LordGeovanni2 votesthis is very false Zoe has 4 damage abilties. one highly out classing the rest because it can melt an entire health bar is not a reason to disregard the 2 that chunk 20-30% of health bars and the one that does miniscule damage due to a redicilously busted effect.
Durzaka1 votesWs damage might as well not exist. But her E does do damage.
But her ult does not. and her passive doesnt count. so 2 abilities.
Teriyaki Bukkake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nALv9bwY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-07T23:47:33.052+0000)
I think it is to facilitate her ability to gank other lanes. Mid laners are meant to be pretty good roamers, especially kill focused ones. Her kit points to it too with her E traveling further over walls and whatnot.
40 seconds tends to be a good time for roaming. It facilitates the "Bot lane flashed, come gank Zoe." while also putting a time limiter on her to get down there to make use of it. Generally it takes about 20 seconds to get to another lane without boots, considering Zoe doesn't appear to have a ton of waveclear early and it is based on what enemies use summoners, not up to her discretion 40 seconds seems about right. Unlike a good number of other roamers her mobility doesn't actually let her get there any faster either, unless she happened to pick up ghost or something.
Why aren't people upvoting this? This makes good sense now, I cannot be the only person who was confused as to why it was 40 seconds and then read this?
Or is this post invisible :O
Fondling Gems1 votesIt is because I am the quiet warden :P
I am not one of the big posters on the boards so I don't auto-generate up/down-votes. However having a funny name colour makes some people treat you differently on the internet. Basically means I even less upvotes/downvotes than I used to get.
Ah well, life is full of strange and nonsensical phenomenons eh?
Teriyaki Bukkake1 votesYo can I have a free name re-colour for no reason for free permanently?
Fondling Gems1 votesNo but I can say that I changed one of your rgb colours by 1 if it makes you feel better. :P
Chembaron Yamada1 votesI want 1 more in blue and 1 in yellow. Gotta be more green than other people.
Teriyaki Bukkake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nALv9bwY,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-08T21:20:19.585+0000)
No but I can say that I changed one of your rgb colours by 1 if it makes you feel better. :P
You sir, YOU! Are a true gentleman! Kudos to you!
A Bepi4 votesI can already see her dominating on the support role since her mana costs are really not that high and base damages are pretty high, especially her bubble which has a 440 base with 80% considering she can always get locket amd redemption from supports
Knalxz1 votesAnd her harass is going to be crazy seeing as how she can just Vel'Koz it and fire away from the wave and redirect her attack.
Solidair32 votesshe's still on the PBE, maybe they'll decrease it.
Does sound pretty long, but maybe she's balanced with that in mind. Or will be.
Rexxiee1 votesShes going to be so broken just for the fact she can pick up and use all the broken support items like redemption locket etc
GrReaper961 votesAll which have 50% reduced effect from multiple casts
Salron5 votesThose items are MUCH weaker without the shielding + healing increase stats though And locket wont do much with her low hp
CM Calgar1 voteswtf is a team fight gunna look like with her lol, 2 flashes + hers, ignite + hers, Barrier heal + heal. I hope this has a cooldown.
Thilmer1 votesMeanwhile, they reduced the time Trhesh souls are in the map because "They shouldn't be easy to collect".
Error 404: logic not found.
bàn1 votesIts a certainlyTerrible champ so nope youre not missing anything.
Arcyyy1 votes1/3 of her damage is gated by her being able to cast a summoner spell.
