Anything planned for Lissandra more than her passive ?

kneel on Ice·Dec 4, 2015·24 votes·1,923 views

Yes , Lissandra needs a new passive , and you said you were working on a black passive for her and we're still waiting , and since @Meddler said recently that immobile mages are the next category riot is working on , should we expect some changes for the Ice Queen ? as a Lissandra main , i think her spells and gameplay (except the passive ofc) are in a good spot right now (also maybe some range for the Q and buff for W) , but the apearence can be so much better , like seriously all blue , she is the legendary Ice Witch , so can you maybe give her a better dress : white/blue and a crown shaped helmet ? the ice in her feet is perfect though ^^ Please rito change look she can be so much better .

41 Comments

KaipopDec 4, 201514 votes

shes not immobile, and zyra needs a new passive much more

AnidanDec 5, 20156 votes

Doesn't mean Lissandra can't have a new passive as well. Give 'em both new, good passives.

StellafreyjaDec 4, 20158 votes

I wouldn't really consider her immobile due to her E.

If they wanted to do something for her passive, I suggest a boost in damage along with the no mana cost. Since her passive is only up every 18 seconds (without using other spells), it'd be pretty balanced. It also helps her out more in the late game.

MrBlackdogesDec 4, 20154 votes

Lissandra deserves some love ! and a new skin !

kneel on IceDec 4, 20151 votes

I know right , her last skin is since 2014 :(

YumaS2AstralDec 4, 20155 votes

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I know right , her last skin is since 2014 :(

At least she didn't took 2 years to gain a new skin Zac Khazix

Hello I am BirdDec 4, 20152 votes

In both their defenses Zac got 4 at once and Khazix takes a lot of different assets with his evolutions and such.

KANYE OBAMA GODDec 4, 20152 votes

Chromas don't count :L

TDubHDec 5, 20153 votes

Zac skins are basically chromas dough....

kneel on IceDec 5, 20152 votes

Lissandra is like red and green versions also

TDubHDec 6, 20151 votes

Her skins are a bit more advanced than zacs though.

Borimir737Dec 4, 20154 votes

lissandra is one of my favourtie champions , i would really love to see some new things for her , especially the lore , Freljord's lore and Avarosa and Serylda ...

kneel on IceDec 4, 20152 votes

Freljord's lore is my favourite , the 3 Queens Ashe Lissandra Sejuani are my best champions in game , Ashe got her rework and a new skins , Sejuani dominated jungle this season , while the Frostguards got nothing

IgotlazyDec 5, 20152 votes

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Freljord's lore is my favourite , the 3 Queens are my best champions in game , got her rework and a new skins , dominated jungle this season , while the Frostguards got nothing

What are you talking about? Lissandra got her ONE patch of competitive play before the nerf bat. That's something right?

kneel on IceDec 5, 20151 votes

Compared to Ashe's rework and Sejuani 3 patches dominate , that not a big thing

4NoxiousHoursDec 4, 20153 votes

I just REALLY hate how Lissandra has to be in melee form to use her skills :/ and her W/E having such a high CD.

kneel on IceDec 4, 20152 votes

I think thats her role , she can also attack behind minions , and she is so powerful in combos EWQ+Ulti , but still she needs more Q or W range , and yes the CD is a big problem when you want to build deffensive item 3027 item 3157 item 3001 item 3151

NakedGrannyDec 5, 20151 votes

In a hyper-mobile meta, being a melee mage with virtually no mobility (No, her E doesn't count. You can literally walk as fast as the projectile moves) is just stupid.

And anyone can dump a lot of damage if they press all their buttons, so saying that Lissandra can press four buttons isn't a reason why her damage should suck so much. Especially considering her mana problems. Double especially considering the frequency of resource-less hyper assassin carries like Yasuo and Zed right now.

Really, all you have to do to find out where mages are in the state of things is to ask yourself if a mage can put out as much burst as Yas or Zed... and then realize that those two champions are adding their AD to free autos on top of crit and AS scaling. Mages are worse than useless in this meta: they're just free kills for the enemy team.

BiffoloDec 5, 20151 votes

I'm just saying, she does have one of the most powerful point and click cc's in the game, that can double up as a healing aoe damage zhonyas. Probably takes up a good part of her power budget.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

Lissandra -Untill you decide to click W when a Yasuo dashes into or away from you. Her CC gives zero fucks about Windwall. -Untill you decide to R a Zed when he ults you, and then W on top of it to sweeten the CC deadlock. -Untill a Rengar decides it's time for the pussycat's assault and eats your deadlock to the fucking face. Goodbye kitty.

I hate those 3 fuckers as much as the next guy, but damn, don't reduce this into a circlejerk.

saying that Lissandra can press four buttons isn't a reason why her damage should suck so much

Well with the cancerous build he suggested ofcourse her damage sucks. It's textbook LCS cancer build. It's what they picked top lane when they turned her into a no-skill farm machine and played her against top lane tanks to counter their non-existant mobility. It's what got her nerfed in the first place.

And anyone can dump a lot of damage if they press all their buttons

Your point is somewhat true, but you have to understand how a champion works. Also, there's no frequency increase in resourceless assasins nor melee hypercarries, don't blow things out of proportion with false facts. Anyone can dump alot of damage if they press all their buttons, and then they have to press them again, and again, and again. It's what's done with champions that are not meant to have an inate burst, but they play an attrition+positioning game instead with relatively low base cooldowns. Q 3 seconds CD at max rank, W 10 with a root of 1.5 seconds, which practically means you throw your Q and cast W, and by the time the root wears off you can cast another Q effectively having a double slow+root AoE nuke. LOL WHAT.

Her passive serves as a way for you to cycle and time your engagements in the early and mid game instead of being a braindead spamming farm-machine, and actually punishes your dumb/wrong decisions which is a good thing, because her QWE are extremely effective at saving your ass when you make massive mistakes; her Q is very spammable and kites for days, her W is instant both in cast, damage and CC on top of being spammable, her E is a gap closer with great range. QWR reduce the passive's cooldown. You can't just go do something dumb and then be like "oopsy, lemme just press my get away from jail-free buttons" and expect no reprecutions. The only champions that can do that are Fizz Leblanc Shaco Zed Yasuo and they are generally considered cancerous.

RisenDarkKnightDec 4, 20153 votes

I wouldn't consider lissandra immobile. She has a dash with her E. Sure it's slow, but that a lot more than many mages have.

4NoxiousHoursDec 4, 20152 votes

I'm so interested to know about this!

qzkHAcvxRTDec 4, 20152 votes

Black passive ? do you mean the Black Ice passive they said they stopped working on ?

kneel on IceDec 4, 20151 votes

Yes

M0b1usDec 4, 20152 votes

I would love to see a new Lissandra skin. Maybe a skin where Anivia was able to free Lissandra from the watcher's influence and now Liss waits to end them when they return. Or Queen Lissandra where she takes over all the tribes. Lots of potential and blade queen was a let down considering the price. Even bloodstone looked nicer both in splash and in game.

Her passive right now is helping with her terrible mana regen and mana cost on her Q. Right now, her mana regen is the second worst at level 1 AND at level 18. Her new passive would have to help the mana issues, but if those were fixed, then she could have a completely new passive without worry.

Some ideas I have heard or thought of.

Mana per unit kill. Like Sion's shield passive, but with mana. Mobility reduction, units hit by Lissandra's spells gain a temporary debuff that reduces the range of dashes/flashes. Mana gives Lissandra CDR or vise versa. Just throwing out ideas.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

blade queen was a let down considering the price

Fucking what? Hahahahahahaha nice one.

Mana per unit kill. Like Sion's shield passive, but with mana. Mobility reduction, units hit by Lissandra's spells gain a temporary debuff that reduces the range of dashes/flashes. Mana gives Lissandra CDR or vise versa. Just throwing out ideas.

Infinite stacking mana, on a relatively immobile mage with such low range and massive CC means just sit back and farm the entire game. So basically encourage what she did when she was picked by the clowns at LCS and then hit with nerfs. It also makes no sense thematically or functionally with her identity. Not to mention it would soak up a MASSIVE amount of her power budget, she'd be mage Sion. Reducing the range of flashes/dashes is pointless, flash is a BLINK not a dash, and she can already deadlock mobility with her W and R in the click of a button. Seriously, you don't even have to aim W(and it has no delay). As for the last one, hell nope.

M0b1usDec 5, 20152 votes

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Fucking what? Hahahahahahaha nice one. Mobility reduction, units hit by Lissandra's spells gain a temporary debuff that reduces the range of dashes/flashes. Mana gives Lissandra CDR or vise versa. Just throwing out ideas.

Infinite stacking mana, on a relatively immobile mage with such low range and massive CC means just sit back and farm the entire game. So basically encourage what she did when she was picked by the clowns at LCS and then hit with nerfs. It also makes no sense thematically or functionally with her identity. Not to mention it would soak up a MASSIVE amount of her power budget, she'd be mage Sion. Reducing the range of flashes/dashes is pointless, flash is a BLINK not a dash, and she can already deadlock mobility with her W and R in the click of a button. Seriously, you don't even have to aim W(and it has no delay). As for the last one, hell nope.

Yeah, blade queen lissandra just doesn't look that good overall. Her splash art is ok, nothing impressive but not at all terrible. The in-game model and animations look meh at best. The ult looks amazing, but everything else is just ok. I am not saying it is a bad skin, I am saying it is a bad skin for the price.

Relatively immobile? Her E I am pretty sure is the second longest mobility spell in the game (not counting ultimates). I don't know how much you play Lissandra, but during lane phase, she sits back, pokes with Q and farms up until she chips the enemy down to kill range with her combo.

You really don't quite understand why the pros picked Lissandra initially. Ever heard of an item called deathfire's grasp? It made her an incredibly potent burst mage. She was used for her incredible burst initiate powers. E in, DFG carry and snare enemy team, ult self or carry depending how strong you were, and in the mean time your team was following up picking up the remaining threats. Her range was too short to reliably sit back and farm all game. With DFG, she became an incredible team fighter and already had an amazing lane phase.

Since when does her current passive fit thematically? Are you talking about the little explanation they give? If that is your definition of "fitting thematically", then you could put any passive on anyone and change the description and it would fit. How does it make sense that Lissandra gets no mana cost on 1 spells after 18 seconds which is reduced by immobilizing an enemy? It really wouldn't soak up power, in fact it would make her late game significantly stronger.

Look, its obvious you are confused, so I am going to help you out. A flash/dash mechanic is simply the main ways to describe an ability that changes a characters position. A FLASH is an ability that instantly changes location. Kass ult, Ez E, Lissandra E, Flash (the summoner spell) and Talon E are all flashes. They instantly transport the champion to a location. A DASH on the other hand takes time and physically moves the champion through the travel path. Sejuani Q, Shen E, Nocturne ult, Irelia Q etc. You say its pointless, but you have not considered that the debuff doesn't have to last as long as the spell. It could be twice as long as the CC duration, or a mere fraction of it. In one case, you would be right. In the other case, you would be horridly wrong.

Anyway, that is all the attention I am going to give you unless you can actually form a coherent and well written argument. Your previous argument was not adding any worth to the thread what so ever.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

Blade Queen Lissandra is fucking great. Mmmkay? Packed with refferences to all kinds of stories and fiction. It looks AMAZING overall with great sound effects to boot. She has no new animations appart from spell effects. Unless you count the E claw and her "feet" as animations and not particle effects. Bad skin for its price is Dragon Slayer Pantheon and Gentleman Chogath with models that are an insult to gaming. No, their VOs and spell effects don't cut the 20 dollars/euros. At least BQLissandra has her amazing base VO to back it up.

I've literally NEVER seen nor heard DFG used on her. This is a first. Her range is no issue when you're laning against top melee tanks(mostly tanks), which is where they picked her all the time.

Her E is a projectile that allows you to blink at its nose. It can be blocked by Windwall. But this is EXACTLY why I said RELATIVELY immobile, and not just immobile like Orianna or Syndra, it can be maxed second instead of W for the increased mobility. But hey, don't let me burst your bubble or anything, you're the man.

She is an Ice witch. THE ICE WITCH. The kind of ice that's true, eternal, magic, living, the ice that doesn't actually melt(for Runeterra purposes). Kinda like Tiberium. What does ice do? Fuck with your movement. What does her passive do? Allow you to fuck with enemies for free the more you fuck with their movement, literally. Theoretically-infinite stacking mana has nothing to do with THE ICE WITCH. Perhaps with Ryze? Anivia's passive would fit her more than infinite mana. Iceborn possibly is a dumped down version of her orinigal Black Ice passive they scrapped during her development. Theoretically infinite stacking HP fits someone like Sion because he's the undead juggernaut and he's literally sapping the souls of his victims and stores them in his soul furnace to get power. Also, he's a fighter. Lissandra on the other hand, uses Ice to feel her surroundings, perhaps even echo-location since she's the only champion to scream(yell?)when using basic abilities and AAs(purely speculatory but cool nonetheless).

The reason I distinctly mention flash is a BLINK is because as far as I know, for gameplay purposes there's nothing in-between the starting and landing spot. With dashes, the dashing unit's hitbox is apparent in all stages of the instance travelled, which means it can get damaged and CC'd. With blinks, there's nothing in there. Which allows you to flash over projectiles and stuff all the time. So having a debuff that reduces the range of blinks is worthless and unfair. Reduced flash range is the equivalent of Dots persisting during untargetability; you're momentarily non-existant in the map, why would you take pre-applied damage that persists over time when you literally don't exist. Pantheon's W, Garen's R and Darius's E-R apply before flashes because it's the only thing they have. Chogath's W applies before flashes because lazy Riot and spaghetti code.

It is a coherent and well written argument, straight to the point and addresses your points directly. Punctuation is fine, correct usage of words with perhaps a spelling mistake or two I didn't bother correcting/seeing. But the only way you can make yourself feel superior is by dumbing down my response, instead of just accepting that maybe, just maybe, one might not agree to everything you have to say just because you're willing to spend half an hour typing about it. A direct response to you, and not this trainwreck of a thread.

This thread is full of shit and bad players crying for changes on a champion that fine appart from some mana needs a skilled player can live without, and I'm out of this shithole, don't bother responding.

DestaiceDec 4, 20152 votes

Would be nice if Lissandra's Q indicator also showed the max range if you his a target. (AKA shatter range). Would help when it comes to learning her.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

Would help when it comes to learning her. showed the max range if you hit* a target

Remove mastery from a champion because it helps learn them? What? Making a champion easier doesn't help you learn how to play them, it just reduces their skill floor and skillcap. Hard work is what heps you improve at a champion.

And it's not even a change for clarity's sake, even Sion's E doesn't show the max range it can throw minions.

terkmcDec 5, 20153 votes

http://i.imgur.com/4TEK64k.jpg

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

I stand corrected.

Still, leave Lissandra alone.

PoskeDec 6, 20152 votes

Lissandra Immobile

Pick one..

Kitten of EvilDec 4, 20151 votes

she is the legendary Ice Witch , so can you maybe give her a better dress : white/blue and a crown shaped helmet ?

So... Elsa skin? I'd buy that.

kneel on IceDec 5, 20151 votes

Copyrights ,duh !

Kitten of EvilDec 6, 20151 votes

I know it's not going to actually happen. It's not like it's the first time I've heard people suggest a skin that would never happen, like an Ash Ketchum Ezreal or a Little Mermaid Nami.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

Just because you'd buy that, doesn't mean it's a good (or a unique) idea.

GoosetardDec 5, 20151 votes

I think her E is an example of mobility done correctly: you can use it very well proactively but not as well re-actively.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

It also has great playmaking capabilities.

TransgressorDec 5, 20151 votes

Leave Lissandra the fuck alone.

You're a "Lissandra main" and you're crying for changes?

What now?! I bet you build item 3027 on her too.

AND DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE COMPLAIN ABOUT HER VISUALS.

She's one of the 5-7 most thematically solid champions in the entire game, don't you dare ruin her based on those horrendous freaking suggestions of yours; seriously, a white crown, what the fuck. She's the** Ice Witch**, not the Ice QUEEN. She's also fucking blind and has no apparent feet, just a legs structure. If you're going to turn her into Queen Ashe, why not give her a pet too so she looks like Sejuani at the same time, now she's 3-in-1 and you have your own pokemon.

As if she didn't suffer a big enough hit with all the mana nerfs over the years, when the clowns at LCS picked her top because they don't have the balls and skills to play her mid, she got nerfed to make her less oppressive against champions she was never ment to play against anyway. The ult change was really neat, but that's all she needs. Learn to play around her passive, time your abilities and engagements around it, it's not ment for you to spam Qs and then complain about her.