Seriously just because 
got another skin and 
a little buff doesnt mean all the community need to complain about it , Specially these 2 champs everyone wishing for their nerfs i dont know why , i dont think & are overpowered compared to other champs who dominate this meta , so please when you get rekt by Ahri or Lissandra in a game , just learn how to counter them instead of writing a discussion about it .
CreationFlaw15 votesHonestly, not going to deny. I'd rather have damage amplification Ahri Charm then never being able to catch ahri because of the massive movement speed.
Ionian9 votesRather go against a low range mage with movespeed boosts than a super high range mage that you will never even get close to. As an example, Ahri's average kda is 2.88, Lux's is 3.14.
Chespin20138 votesI mean I can see how Ahri might be annoying to play against but Lissandra as a whole never thought she was overbearing. If anything I liked it when she was popular in top lane. It was a nice change from seeing all the Gnars, Sions, and Maokais everygame.
PawpsicleHustler2 votesExcept for when you played anything from those four, and just got cheesed by her rushing double doran's rings and just constantly shoving you in and harassing you under tower while you couldn't respond.
Charmed by Ahri6 votesRekt by Ahri, time to change to new name! +1 For You
Actin5 votesRiot heavily favors Ahri and has overloaded her kit.
kneel on Ice2 votesWell they nerf ahri's passive next patch , hope you'll be glad :)
1000angrybees3 votesHaven't seen much about lissandra, but I'm pretty sure that buff will help her be more useful and let her make more choices.
Ahri on the other hand, has been brought to the forefront for no other reason than not being nerfed like other mid laners, and how her win and pick rate have climbed because of it. No one truly complained about her for months (except for the fox fire buff and charm change, both of which were warranted), and now people are racing to jump on the bandwagon. It seems really fucking petty and I'm really bored of seeing the same shit without actually making solid criticisms. (i.e, WIN RATE! PICK RATE! and then proceed to just say how they want her nerfed. nothing even remotely close to 'this is why she is problematic')
P.S. Also, either that shit or the nonsense like "SHE CAN 100-0 YOU WITH R AND W" that shit is so asinine and I just immediately downvote and leave.
Cogito Ergo Sol 3 votesI don't see the lissandra hate honestly. I hate Ahri but I don't ask for big nerfs, only utility changes. Srsly, what makes me sad is how she is dominating the mid lane meta from months, and she didn't receive any nerf. She has 330 movespeed with 3 dashes, a blink and a movespeed buff. Then Zyra has 325 and she is immobile. And then mages like Veigar and Syndra got only nerfs from the removal of dfg, Ahri instead she has got only buffs. I hate that Ahri because she hasn't been touched and she is the only mage that got buffed for the dfg removal. Not mentioning that she has a shit ton of skins and other champs have only 2 or 1... But is just this for me. I don't hate Ahri because she is op, I hate her because she gets so much love from Riot.
EDIT Just saying, if I could nerf Ahri I would make the Q movespeed buff scaling per level and a cooldown between every dash (something like 0,5 or less)
Ionian3 votesReally? Pretty sure Fizz got 20% damage amp on his ult as a compensation buff for DFG's removal.
Cogito Ergo Sol 1 votesya forgot about him lol
Orbv1 votesHe also lost grievous wounds and some damage on W :'(.....no more grievous wounds
AsianBear6152 votesI don't see the lissandra hate honestly. I hate Ahri but I don't ask for big nerfs, only utility changes. Srsly, what makes me sad is how she is dominating the mid lane meta from months, and she didn't receive any nerf. She has 330 movespeed with 3 dashes, a blink and a movespeed buff. Then Zyra has 325 and she is immobile. And then mages like Veigar and Syndra got only nerfs from the removal of dfg, Ahri instead she has got only buffs. I hate that Ahri because she hasn't been touched and she is the only mage that got buffed for the dfg removal. Not mentioning that she has a shit ton of skins and other champs have only 2 or 1... But is just this for me. I don't hate Ahri because she is op, I hate her because she gets so much love from Riot.
EDIT Just saying, if I could nerf Ahri I would make the Q movespeed buff scaling per level and a cooldown between every dash (something like 0,5 or less)
Okay I'm sorry but where in her kit does Ahri have a blink? There are so many things wrong in your post. First, she doesn't have a blink. Second, she got nerfed for dfg too (Charm 20% amp removal and Foxfire damage nerfed) for a decaying movement speed buff from her q. Third, she already has a delay between every dash. Have a good day.
LeviathinCommand1 votesflash?
Cogito Ergo Sol 1 votesI've made a thread where I explain this, and yes, I was talking about flash.
Dr Poro3 votesAhri definitely not OP. She just has highest play rate AND win rate of all midlaners.
Ionian2 votesYour wish has been granted. Her passive is getting gutted next patch.
The Bíg Ticket3 votesRofl...totally gutted. She heals for 10 less hp at level 6. Wow.
Ionian5 votesK I'll do the maths for you. Assuming 12 procs of the heal (Q 6 minions). Level 5: -48 Level 6: -36 Level 10: -84 Level 11: -48 Level 15: -96 Level 16: equal
Her passive in the midgame gets a huge nerf. Also 10 =/= 36 mate.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesLmao what...? Her Q heals her for 2 + level for each enemy hit. If she is level 6 that is 8. 8 multiplied with 6 minions is 48. Don't know where you got 12 procs from rofl.
Now at level 6 she heals for 5 per enemy hit so that is 30. So 18 less hp than before. Huge difference.
At level 11 it used to be 13 per enemy hit so for 6 minions hit she heals for 78 (6x13), now it is 9 per enemy hit so she heals for 54 (6x9), 24 hp difference, so huge rofl.
Ionian5 votesDude. Have you ever played Ahri in your life?
If you Q a wave it's 12 hits. 6 magic dmg hits on the way out, 6 true dmg hits on the way back. 12 hits. 12 heals. Current passive at level 6: 2+level = 8. 8x12=96. New passive at level 6: 5. 5x12=60. 96-60=36.
Do I have to do the same for all the other examples or will you do the maths yourself?
The Bíg Ticket1 votesSo you are telling me hitting 6 minions twice with Q (the best possible case) is what should be considered when looking at her passive? You can't even do that in lane all the time unless you position yourself so that the enemy can easily hit you with spells and you definitely cannot do that in teamfights..
Ionian6 votesI'm looking at this nerf from the perspective of someone who isn't actually trash at Ahri. Maybe I shouldn't, not everyone mains Ahri like I do, maybe I should look at it from the perspective of a first time Ahri, who doesn't even know she has a passive or spends it on E. Yeah if you spend it on E that's only 3 less hp at level 6, not really significant. But if you have some experience with the champion you will notice how much of a gutting this is.
Btw it's super easy to proc the heal 12x from a Q, in fact it's a basic mechanic. Either charge it up and wait for the next wave or just keep W'ing melee minions for stacks without killing them and then Q for heal.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesAnd then you lane vs someone like me who sees that coming and I can unload my full spell rotation on you while you are wasting your 2 damage spells on the minion wave.
Ionian2 votesAnd who are you? A melee champion? Don't know any that has an 880+ range gapcloser. A ranged champion? I just throw a Q and back off with my movespeed boost. Would have to misposition really hard to take a full rotation to the face when just Q'ing a wave.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesLmao...so you admit she is op? Damn..that bait actually worked.
Abyssphere2 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BwIJoIPA,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-10T14:39:00.137+0000)
Lmao...so you admit she is op? Damn..that bait actually worked.
Do you really think anyone reading this thinks "I can Q a wave without taking the enemy laner's entire combo to the face" is equivalent to "I am an OP champion"? Because they don't.
The Bíg Ticket2 votesDon't know about you but if I was playing Ahri and saw the enemy midlaner wasting his 2 damage spells to clear the wave then I would immediately all in him.
LeviathinCommand1 votesHowever the ahri can immediate use ult or q ms boost to get under tower, also she was just healed by it so she might have to much health to all in she might flash away she could charm and walk away, do you have that long of a range or a gap closer like that there is more to the matchup than "she used 2 abilities for damage time to all in"
Hatless Casual3 votesMost people who make the "I hate insert champion here" threads are most likely low elo and don't understand counter picking is a thing. I don't play ranked, but if I did and decided to go mid with it I'd do a ton of research on who's popular and what counters them, how to best implement said counters and play a ton of normals until I understood what I was doing.
Bans also are highly effective.
SoMNia1 votesYou don't play ranked. So...you understand that not every game is draft, and counter-picking and bans are not always a thing. Right? >.>
Zenthon Prime1 votesAnd those are modes we don't balance around.
Hatless Casual1 votesMost of the QQ threads tend to be around ranked/draft.
SoMNia1 votesFair enough. I'd just prefer for the game to be balanced around team composition and not individual champion matchups. I do understand counter-picking. I just don't think it should be the only answer.
Bisaknosp3 votesi agree with you
i have NO idea why they even think of nerfing ahri
more problematic champs are these 
but muuuuh nerf ahri wtf??
she isnt op so wtf is this shit
ahri doesnt excel at anything but she is good at many things
she also got many counters
????
above champs have a toxic playstyle and are extremely unfun to play against
Orbv1 votesVayne isn't toxic though. She's insanely easy to beat in lane. The only way she gets by is when your bot lane plays passive. If Vayne is locked in, bot should be engaging constantly. She will be oom if she uses Condemn more than twice.
SwapShadows2 votesI pray that lissandra never makes it back into the meta because of how annoying she can be with her kit.
Also ahri provides the safest laning phase for a midlaner currently.
tl;dr both cancer and unfun to play against
kneel on Ice2 votesThats what bans are made for , and also any champ can be countered
Malix Farwin2 votesThats what bans are made for , and also any champ can be countered
not enough bans so she gets to slip through.
CasterGilgamesh1 votesthen be smarter with your bans
Tentacle Love2 votesI seriously had to do a double take because I thought the thread said "hitting on."
CasterGilgamesh2 voteslol what hate? she has the lowest range of any mage in the whole game even 
outranges her. her burst was nerfed and she never got any compensation buffs for losing DFG in fact they still have the nerfs for when it was a thing now her ult will finally have a decent buff now they just need to buff its range.
Count Zubat1 votesI'd say Liss is a bit underpowered after last nerfs. As for Ahri, why she has free ghost? Like, she already has 3 flashes in her ult and one of the strongest CC in the game: charm, why she needs that ghost? Let's be honest, Ahri is strong. She's one of few popular champs who have high win rate, despite trend of popular champs having moderate win rate below 50%. She didn't have ms buff before DFG removal, and even after it was removed she was fine without compensaton buffs and ghost on Q.
Ionian5 votesShe is a kite mage, she needs the tools to kite people with. "but muh 3 dashes!!11" Yeah on a 110s cooldown. People seem to forget her burst got nerfed really hard and now she has to poke a LOT before going for a kill (unless super fed ofc). The average mage has huge ability range (Lux, Xerath, etc.), Ahri has to be in autoattack range (550) for her W to even work. A squishy low range mage with low burst and mobility on a huge cooldown wouldn't really be a good pick, at all.
TheFirstGokun1 votesLissandra counters 
and other assassins. I found this out recently and have never been happier that I drunkenly bought Lissandra for no reason so long ago.
manbearswine1 votesPeople are hating on ahri cause she is kind of free elo right now.
People hating on lissandra is news to me.
