Let's talk about Vayne

lostbob117··3 votes·436 views

Let's get this out of everybody's heads firstly. No, I do NOT think she is op.

However, I feel like they way they made her is odd. Like she is an assassin, but I feel like she could more engaging.

1 problem is her ult. Giving just free AD, that's kind of boring, why not make it help her W.

Here's my suggestions for changing up Vayne and making her more Vayne, possibly better.

We'll have to nerf her W a bit. This is to make her more reliant on her ult.

Range: Reduced to 525.

E: TRUE DAMAGE: 5 / 15 / 25 / 35 / 45 (+ 1 / 2.25 / 3.5 / 4.75 / 6% target's maximum health)

R: Vayne enhances all her abilities. When she kills a enemy champion the CD is reduced by 10/15/20% of it's Max, and the duration of her R is increased by 1/1.5/2 seconds.

Duration: 8/10/12 seconds

Passive - Movement speed is tripled.(Currently) Q - She gains stealth for 1/1.25/1.5 second(Already in her kit, just buffed on later levels.) W - She gains 10/20/30 (1/2/3%) more TRUE DAMAGE on-top of her True Damage. E - When she stuns an Enemy Champion, the CD is now decreased by 20/35/50%.

I'm questioning the Range nerf, though it should be tested. I feel like Vayne is the all in your face kind of ADC, like Graves and Lucian. It also hurts her lane phasing some. That can be left out for now when viewing the changes.

What are your thoughts?

12 Comments

Hell Week2 votes

In my opinion, it all depends on the player. I can always see the difference between a good vayne and a bad one. It's all mechanics my bratha.

lostbob1171 votes

I'm not saying it'll make a sight from a good and bad Vayne. I want to make her more like an assassin.

Hell Week1 votes

with her shady ult and her crazy mobility, she's already an adc assassin like champ.

lostbob1171 votes

Yes, but I feel like she needs something more. Like I don't think the plain AD on her ult is fun at all. Also, it says it enhances her abilities, but currently only enhances 2 and 1 of those is the passive.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

Why do you think she needs something more? What is she missing? Many ADC ultimates don't enhance any other abilities.

lostbob1171 votes

Exactly, that's what can be unique about her. Instead of giving boring AD, she could have power in a different way. It also brings up "Oh should I use my ult now? Are they trying to bait it? No, I'll hold it" kind of decisions in the game too. Right now, Vayne doesn't really need her ult desperately to get a kill. I kind of want to shift that a little. Where she will be able to rely on it more during fights, while making it feel good when you start racking up the kills.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

She doesn't need it to get a kill, but it helps greatly to secure a kill.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I don't think Vayne really needs any attention at the moment, to be honest. She has a unique strength against tanky champions with her W, but pays for it with slightly shorter attack range and much less mobility running away from enemies than towards... though she also has a singular self-peel that's quite strong, but can only stop (and potentially CC) one enemy. I think she's perfect as-is, strong but not overpowered and always susceptible to counterplay.

Also you think her ult is really about the flat AD bonus? Uh no. Her ult's huge bonus is stealth on tumble. And a good Vayne can use that stealth to reposition masterfully. It's unique and very scary, but if you can avoid her for that window, you're fine. She doesn't need boosts, she doesn't need resets. 1 second is enough time for her to juke the enemy team, and it already has a low enough CD.

lostbob1171 votes

Her Ult is about enhancing her abilities, yes. That's why I want to push that more instead of having the bonus AD on it.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

Yes, it enhances her abilities, but I think it's in a great place now, largely because of the stealth-on-Q. That's absolutely huge.

lostbob1171 votes

That is true, but why stop there? Why not improve it and make it like 10x cooler? When there is a improvement you could do to anything. You a lot of the time want to take that step to improve it.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I think it's because I'm scared of what Riot will do to any champion who's under their spotlight. That's why I tell everyone to shut up about my main girl Anivia and don't talk about her on boards because then they'll change her.

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