OMG JUNGLERS GANK MORDE I NEED HELP

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Jungler: We can't gank Mordekaiser because you didn't burn his Ult. If we gank you, he either ults us, or you, kills whoever he ults, and then kills the other shortly after.

Like it or not: to beat Mordekaiser, you have to literally win your lane.

That or have an insanely powerful duelist to invalidate Morde's ult arena by killing him first.

Or gank pre-6, like any other jungler would.

Uuuuh, no, it's from every lane. I'm usually the guy who recognizes that the jungle is trying most of the time. Just recently played support with an adc who kept shoving bot lane. The enemy jungle never once ganked us. Our ADC died several times to the enemy support and mid and then blamed jungle, stating 'We're always shoved in. Useless jg.' I immediately replied 'we're the ones shoving, not vice versa'.

When losing the game, it's never the jungler's fault. They'll die when they invade without priority, die to bad dives, then say things like "better jg wins" "this team gg" "lost the coin flip" etc. It happens almost all of the time from junglers, and since they complain in all chat you see it when it happensnom the enemy team as well.

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I love how no matter what, it’s never tops fault.

You fed the illaoi 3 kills before my first clear? “God, worthless jungler never ganks”

You got caught out warding after I told you enemy jungler was top side? “God why is my jungler non existent”

I swear to god I only get this shit from top lane.

Basically junglers to top is what supports are to ADCs.

Such a lovely abusive relationship

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8156Ezx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-20T01:04:25.333+0000)

I love how no matter what, it’s never tops fault.

You fed the illaoi 3 kills before my first clear? “God, worthless jungler never ganks”

You got caught out warding after I told you enemy jungler was top side? “God why is my jungler non existent”

I swear to god I only get this shit from top lane.

Bingo.

Top laners right now want Top lane to be 2v2 while trying so desperately hard not to undermine the role of Junglers. Hell there's even a thread on the frontpage which is a "explanation not a justification" as to why Top laners are toxic to Junglers.

I remember a time where there was a consensus, that your performance in lane is on you. That if you die it is nobody else's fault. It appears one role didn't quite get the memo.

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8156Ezx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-20T01:04:25.333+0000)

I love how no matter what, it’s never tops fault.

You fed the illaoi 3 kills before my first clear? “God, worthless jungler never ganks”

You got caught out warding after I told you enemy jungler was top side? “God why is my jungler non existent”

I swear to god I only get this shit from top lane.

to be fair top is a snowball lane... and i mean it snowballs hard lol if they even get a single advantage the other laner is done unless they get help otherwise they get dove or become like 3+ levels down and a huge cs difference

So as a jungle main I've started making my "toplane decisions" based around the toplaner skill difference. If my toplane is really bad and the enemy is on a champ that can 1v2 potentially you will not see me top. If my toplane is a bit worse I Might go top to get a kill. If my top is even i will go a handful of times to try and help him. And if my toplaner is better i will try to stay in the area so we can win the 2v2 w/ their top/jg or so i can prevent the enemy jg from making it a 1v2 for my guy.

Also i've noticed the same thing happens with botlanes too, if they int multiple times pre 5 min at least one of them almost always starts bitching at the jungler, b/c you know I'm totally ready to come gank that 3-0 draven and alistar as a lvl 4 Yi.

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While he's certainly not an ideal target, it's not a waste. A huge amount of his power is tied into his ultimate. Getting him to use it on a gank gives a big opportunity to your laner.

Except the jg at any point is usually one or two levels behind a top laner, so if the Morde ults the jg there is a great likelihood you die to his ult, he gets your stats and proceeds to kill your top laner.

Virtually, I have to tell people that I will gank their lane pre-6 and they better get ahead by then to solo lane, or wait for me to buy QSS before I ever gank their lane again post 6. And buying that QSS means the enemy jungler can now invade me 24/7 since I'll be at a massive item disadvantage.

If you can't win lane on your own, I have to babysit you top like I babysat that Jax against Illaoi. And then, that Jax did nothing with his lead while my enemy Udyr freely applied pressure mid and bot since I had to sit on Jax for so much of the game so he wouldn't completely snowball an Illaoi that the entire other two lanes were gone.

I've also had plenty of top laners afk CS while I'm clearly visible pathing top river and they don't even bait a fight or move preemptively, so I go in, chunk the enemy top laner a little, he chunks me a little, we both walk away but my time is massively wasted as that enemy top laner lives, chugs a few potions and probably has teleport while I was just set behind in gold and xp and my potions were already gone from just clearing red to blue so I could be healthy to contest crab.

If I get passive laners who expect me to do and take all the damage so they can swoop in and get the kill with a marginal contribution if any to the gank, I'm not ganking that lane, period.

A jungler is just as dependent on his laners doing well on his own so he is actually able to gank underleveled due to the jg camp xp changes ensuring that junglers are essentially the same level as bot lane if not lower when they gank a top or mid lane, which is a huge risk.