Can we have green wards back?

Shaddai·12/22/2015, 4:55:34 PM·166 votes·4,514 views

I think there's been enough experimentation with new vision, and while I like the new trinkets and all, the lack of green wards when it comes to mid game and later is pretty heinous. It punishes good players that try to control vision and doesn't really affect the bad ones that never bought them to begin with. It doesn't help that yellow trinket is a shadow of its former self.

Top and Mid are also terrible now because you can't even ward efficiently for ganks. You can drop ONE pink (Whose idea was this?) and it's visible to the jungler who is now going to kill it, cost you 75 gold, then stick around anyway. Sure, combine it with yellow trinket, but those wards don't last for shit, so they are pretty pointless at certain points in the game.

At the very least, we should have greens back with a limit of 1-2 per person. It's just stupid not having them in the game anymore.

56 Comments

PROJECT Katarìna12/22/2015, 6:51:38 PM39 votes

Im a simple man when i see "bring back green wards" i upvote.

DeathBurst12/22/2015, 5:04:04 PM10 votes

The reasons for removing green wards were good. It was a way to snowball game, where the winning team could afford more wards than the losing team, and win even more thanks to that.

Also, yellow trinket is currently buffed on the PBE. -30s recharge time at level 18. It's noticeably better.

Occams Raiser12/22/2015, 9:10:32 PM7 votes

statistically no one was really using them for most divisions and Riot doesn't want them in higher divs.

A Miss Fortune12/22/2015, 10:31:08 PM5 votes

Being an ADC main I really hate the removal of green wards. ADCs rely so much on vision to stay safe and to be able to farm, without green wards all we have is a pink ward and the blue ward to try to light up the map and protect ourselves from assassins. Most of the time without my support following me the entire game I just have to wait under turret to farm or hope that my team decides to set up wards around the area I am farming in.

Green ward removal in general has decreased my enjoyment of the game and my winrate has noticeably decreased and while obviously a lot of big changes have happened during preseason I feel like the changing of wards has had the biggest negative impact on my winrate as I adapted to abusing vision and really enjoyed it as well.

P0IS0N IVY12/23/2015, 4:16:43 AM4 votes

Support main here and this was literally the worst change I've seen so far. Riot likes to claim they don't like to force people down certain build paths and yet I feel like they are trying to force supports towards getting sightstone first. No thanks. I'd rather buy green wards and work on other things until midgame.

Not to mention that I can't sufficiently ward bot lane ever now. I get to choose between being vulnerable to ganks from the jungle or from the lane. Pick your poison.

MrWasjig12/23/2015, 2:31:55 PM4 votes

I wouldn't mind the removal of greens so much if the new trinkets weren't utter trash. But they are. Blue WAS good but then Riot nerfed it because it was being used so much. But that's because it was the only good warding trinket left in the game. And now it's just (and I mean, JUST) above trash tier.

Yellow trinket is far, far weaker than it was. The sweepers are....kind of okay but still worse than they were. But that doesn't matter because there aren't any fucking wards to sweep in the first place because, the other trinkets are trash and there aren't green wards anymore!

"But don't worry guys because now we have ward rubble! The single most useful change ever implemented in League of Legends, ever! You can give us money now" -Rito 2015

Kryogen12/23/2015, 5:16:24 AM3 votes

Bring back greens or give us 2 pinks please. This is.. borderline game-breaking for me... I get paradigm shift's but this is brutal! Not just as a support but for when I adc - true story, it was actually me - I was that one adc in bronze who actually bought greens on my backs when I could.

The trinkets just don't last long enough imo to warrant the deletion of green wards!

Calabok12/22/2015, 10:01:43 PM3 votes

"I" isn't in the word "team"

Kieferr12/22/2015, 7:53:55 PM2 votes

Sucks for jungle mains too. Now we HAVE to buy the shitty tracker knife to get wards in combination with a sweeper. Like, how can u expect us to keep vision control with 1 pink if we don't get trackers?

10Tickler12/23/2015, 10:30:01 PM2 votes

Gonna upvote, but also give another idea.

Make Sightstone-like options for Mid and Toplaners that are Viable. More HP+Armor+ 2 wards each back. Mana+Mana Regen+10%CDR + 2 Wards each Back

Ryvaku12/22/2015, 7:19:03 PM2 votes

Pinks are 75g though..

I7A6X2v212/23/2015, 5:55:17 AM1 votes

item 3361

LF Annie12/23/2015, 6:02:56 AM1 votes

lack of green wards is way more punishing when behind than when ahead, ahead you can use for picks, but behind you have to rely on fairly minimalist wards to deal with a game that has fundamentally changed because the amount of gold in the game at most points is higher.

TotN Titan12/23/2015, 3:31:22 PM1 votes

Vision shouldn't be about how many wards you can spam. It should be about having them in the places you need them to set up objective play. They should be used to help secure dragons, secure barons, set up for jungle invades, or scout for enemy roamers on the side of the map. If you're an ADC and you use your blue trinket up ahead in the lane to stay safe, place a 75 gold pink ward closer to you. You should be watching your mini map anyway and someone destroying your ward gives you all the knowledge of where they are that you need to make an intelligent decision about getting to a safer place.

Also, your towers are still your friends. Use them intelligently. You shouldn't be pushing very far past your furthest tower to begin with. If you have only Inhibitor turrets up, you shouldn't be pushing your farm out to the river. You're just asking for death. Wards shouldn't be a crutch you use for bad in-game decisions. They should be used more strategically.

And all this crying about the ward rubble is a bit disappointing. When I see that there are 3 ward rubble in the tri-brush on the top side, I see that as a sign that I need to be careful what kind of pathing I use to gank top. Obviously, that opponent is very serious about his warding and wants to keep himself safe. It's a good, useful tool to tell what kind of good decisions you can make based off of how your opponent is playing. Plus, when I get my sweeper rolling, I know the danger spots to where I should be sweeping to make sure I can make an effective play. Predictable opponents can be complacent opponents and make for some easy plays if you let the situations (and the clues) reveal themselves.

S H A Y C 012/23/2015, 4:45:30 PM1 votes

Why bring them back...its not like anybody is going to ward anyway...[zombie-nunu-bummed]

Singing Lark12/23/2015, 6:48:11 PM1 votes

I hate how as the jungler, if I don't take green smite, I have to rely on my team to ward properly with the already underwhelming yellow trinket if I want a sweeper. And if I don't get a sweeper, I still have to rely on the crappy yellow trinket for vision. So many times I go and shop and feel really helpless from my absolute lack of control over vision because I decided to take blue/red smite on Shyv.

I'm almost tempted to build a sightstone just so I can have better vision control, but 800 gold is a pretty big investment in terms of delaying items for a jungler.

LoL Ergo Urgot12/23/2015, 9:38:28 PM1 votes

These new ward changes hurt the immobile champs who don't have reliable ways to escape ganks (ergo dependent on wards) while champs with escapes don't have to worry as much. All I play are immobile champions and lanning is a lot more stressful.

Shroom Junkie12/23/2015, 9:41:19 PM1 votes

Wards were stupid in the first place. Even pros have said they're one of the most OP things in the game. Why even have the fog? I get a few here and there but come on, when the entire map is warded why even have a fog? Its basically for those little places like unwarded bushes so people can abuse it and cancel an AA or a dodge a Kalista AA.

Nekusen12/23/2015, 2:28:26 AM1 votes

i hope not, they were a forced gold dump. i'd rather have them fix trinkets (as they will in this patch), or add some vision summoner spell

Shaddai1/3/2016, 12:14:51 AM1 votes

So, it would seem a lot of silver players responded in favor of no wards, while gold/plat and higher responded against it. Interesting how that worked out.

Gnart Even Close12/22/2015, 10:11:55 PM1 votes

I just want yellow trinket to be as strong as the old upgraded yellow trinket. they should buff sightstone and tracker's knife too imo to have the wards refill over time and instantly when you back. i think the excuse to not have that was to force some supports to back because they otherwise wouldn't, but that's just silly. supports need items just as much as anyone else, especially the tank and mage ones. then i think the other trinkets would be balanced and we could actually have decent vision. i don't like having to pay for vision, and Riot said that vision in a consumable state is bad because it helps encourage snowballing or something like that.

Qsario12/23/2015, 4:21:11 AM1 votes

I think things would be fine if sightstone upgrades would just recharge over time without having to back constantly.