im curious about lee sin's position in the rework pipeline

Veraska·Feb 15, 2015·1 votes·727 views

pretty much title, its been known for awhile that lee sin is indeed need of some core changes outside of just number tunings, riot even acknowledges his position as a jack of all trade playmaker is kinda strangling the games jungle picks especially in the competitive scene, where the only champions viable are on his tier of general overall power (champions like and )

we've discussed it plenty the things that people like and hate about lee sin are pretty well documented and i think he's potentially the most complained about champion on the boards (aside from maybe zed)

so is his rework being worked on at all? whose in charge of any upcoming changes? or is this kinda like a "we'll get to it at some point down the road" situation?

6 Comments

5G8Nri0B54Feb 15, 20152 votes

He was in the pipeline. But then he ward-jumped out of it.

VeraskaFeb 15, 20151 votes

damn, champUP team got outplayed by lee sin's high skill cap mechanics :/

eyes wide shutFeb 15, 20152 votes

funny, before khazix was nerfed you hardly ever saw lee sin, it was just khazix/rengar spammed every game. yet people still whined about lee sin on the forums. your incessant bitching isn't going to lead to a nerf unless it actually NEEDS a nerf. Lee, I'm sorry to tell you, doesn't need a nerf. Can he do everything? yes, but another jungler always outshines him in any specific area. want cc? sejuani does it better. want to assassinate people? rengar and khazix do it better. want cc? naut does it better. amumu does it better. want split pushing? yi does it better. wanta tank? rammus can do it better. I could go on and fucking on. just because he can do everything, does not mean he can do them well.

VeraskaFeb 15, 20151 votes

http://www.ongamers.com/articles/full-champion-pick-ban-stats-for-worlds/1100-2264/

heres some stats about worlds i think you're memory is a little foggy, he was rocking a 39% ban rate, a 59% pick rate, and a 56% win rate. the nd highest winrate being kha'zix who was picked more admittedly (because he was banned less and was the best pick when lee was banned)

lee sin being a jack of all trades champion is a BAD thing, it doesn't matter if nautilus is a better tank with more control, you'll never see him in the jungle while lee sin gets to have so much all around power with no true weakness. the thing is, lee sin does everything and does them all relatively well, he wouldn't be picked so much if he didn't, you know why i know this? elise does everything too but she certainly doesn't do everything well, so she's literally a master of nothing. maybe if lee had elise's numbers he wouldn't have such a death grip on the jungle options in pro play, but unfortunately he would be trash tier which i don't want.

i think a lot players have this bad mentality when coming to balance. "i hate playing against this champion so i want to be nerfed until no one will play it" which is really shitty, i think we should think more along the lines "i hate playing against this champion so i want them to change the obnoxious frustration points" lee sin's mobility is cool, his double spell combo's are cool, his inSec plays are cool, whats not cool is him 1v1ing me with a sight stone and 2 long swords while i have a warrior enchant, whats not cool is his absurd scaling on his ultimate on top of a high base damage.