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Garen mini rework in current form, is a failure.

RtClick·10/26/2019, 4:45:44 PM·11 votes·3,930 views

Just just as I thought and predicted, the Garen mini rework would end up making him stronger in low elo, and worse in high elo. Patch 9.19 winrate in Silver 52.2%, Diamond 50.66% Patch 9.21 winrate in Silver 53.2%, Diamond 47.91% Funneling Garen toward being a squishier attack speed champ is not the move. He's not Jax, he's not Master Yi, he's not Irelia, he can't use attack speed items as efficiently as them, and never will. He doesn't have much mobility, and no hard cc. Your just setting him up for failure. So instead of being a juggernaut, he's now a cheesy flash dependent diver. Some of the changes made a lot of sense; The passive regen changes, the spins being able to proc conqueror, maybe that's really all he needed, idk. I just know that the current form of Garen is flawed. If his most successful build is Triforce+phantom dancer? You know you've messed him up. Garen is a Juggernaut, change his kit to efficiently utilize juggernaut items. Black cleaver, Steraks, Deadmans, ect.

13 Comments

Aryan MasterRage10/26/2019, 6:04:56 PM6 votes

Tbh why he was changed in the first place? He was fine.

LightswornLance10/26/2019, 7:25:08 PM3 votes

I dont think we really needed the attack speed changes. The only changes I wanted were the passive and ult changes and I wanted e to be useful for waveclear. I didn't want to have to build attack speed for that though...

R0ses R Red10/26/2019, 6:43:13 PM2 votes

This change was 100% for the better. Trades are finally more punishing for Garen, and Garen can now punish others harder. He doesn't feel as binary as he did before. He isn't even that squishy.

True Garen10/27/2019, 1:51:31 AM2 votes

#LeaveGarenAlone

VelvetCrotch10/27/2019, 1:08:00 PM2 votes

yep it is. i miss old garen before his ult mechanic that was the most fair garen imo. the current one and the one before are just stupidly broken even garen is kiteable we all know

Stephenizgod10/26/2019, 7:08:12 PM1 votes

Honestly I think making his Ult deal true damage without lowering its damage was a mistake, there is no setup required for it like other executes and it is difficult to dodge it because it has bizarre range. I mean with Flash+Ignite even most Ranged champions can't poke him safely because they are generally too squishy and at risk of being insta-killed. It can be difficult to even farm if you have no hard CC to stop him from running at you.

A lot of people complain about his E, but I don't mind his E at all, just run out of it and go back in when its down. Its his ult + ignite killing me at half life that is bothering me. Due to his MS you have to flash his flash or you are silenced then he deals 1600 damage with his spin almost instantly and then boom %hp true damage Ult every 60 seconds.

Every time I go up against Garen the only reason I will die is because he can kill me with Flash Q ignite Ult at around 40-45% HP, its annoying to play around someone capable of doing that because if you don't keep up the pressure on him his Passive heals him to almost full.

Although really the thing that bothers me most is Junglers not pressuring him... he is so easy to gank but for some reason they sit in the jungle watching him dive me over and over again and do nothing. Every. Single. Game.... I never get any jungle pressure against him. He has to be hyper aggressive and pushing the lane or he gets outscaled by almost every other champion. He is designed around being a strong laner, you need to pressure him or your Top laner is going to have a rough time. Even his counters don't necessarily win lane against him, they just out scale him late game, you need to help them make it there.

Hazardus ducees10/27/2019, 4:57:11 PM1 votes

I honestly wish garen was more or less... different. He has a sword as large and thick as his arm. In my opinion everything about him felt incorrect the second they changed how his model looked. The very least they could have done is have his damage scale with his HP instead. I would definitely be down for a rework though. The might of demacia shouldn't feel like some simpleton beefhead that can't seem to do anything else other than smack around a beam pole, get a random shield out of nowhere for some reason and the ability to summon even a larger sword to reign from the sky... You might as well just call him, Sword- the might of demacia. Not Garen.

If you really want to try hard and have fun with him though, try Cleaver with Deadman's Plate, Rylai's Crystal Scepter and Liandry's Torment.