Why is Vayne's kit literally filled with steroids?

Fadedpf··2 votes·787 views

I am having a really hard time calling Vayne weak at any point in the game. She scales into a monster late game, and even a fed Vayne early can out duel anyone with just item 3153 item 3006 . I am sick of playing against Vayne already.

Passive.

30 Flat movement speed when walking towards champions. This is a slight steroid because you will almost always be able to catch someone that is running away. Her range might be 550 but tons of ADC's have the exact same. Her passive and tumble alone make her "short range" not even a thing if you know how to play Vayne.

Q.

Auto attack steroid that also lets you dash where ever you want. This is obviously one of Vayne's bread and butter skills but its very frustrating how much damage a tumble auto can do. Eventually she will be able to keep attacking you with tumble autos while repositioning every 2 seconds.

W.

One of the biggest steroids in her kit is her silver bolts. Not only does the flat damage paired with % hp damage destroy squishies, it makes itemizing almost impossible, and even if you do get a decent build to deal with just Vayne and the physical threats you probably have to deal with an AP mid laner. This skill is just overloaded either remove the flat true damage or nerf the rest of her steroids.

E.

This skill is one of the most infuriating skills out there. A point a click cc knock back that will send you a screen away from Vayne if she doesn't like what she is seeing. Not only can she get out of trouble for free like this but it also will stun you for 1.5 seconds if pinned to a wall. Enough time for Vayne to get 3 to 6 autos off depending on her AS.

R.

This skill is downright toxic. Attack damage steroid that will make your autos and tumble autos hit like a truck. Tied with the ability to go invisible for 1 second while tumbling and repositioning yourself. AND Tripling your passive for 90 movement speed. I don't even know what to say this ability is just like Riven's ult, stupid and overkill.

"muh range"

"muh weak farming"

"muh mechanics"

Vayne is not weak at all. Her kit is toxic and filled with steroids she has a very good win rate in all elos especially in plat + where all the Vayne mains live. I think it is time to gut Vayne.

8 Comments

EndlessSorcerer6 votes

"muh range"

Vayne has short range because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range, not because her autoattack range is any shorter than the standard for ADCs.

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Tristana and Twitch are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly. [I suppose Twitch W can technically count, but it's pretty minor]

XLC5 votes

I was gonna do this. Thank you, you saved me time but prevented me from getting upvotes from smart people downvotes from circlejerkers.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

It's one of those argument I made in one thread, realized that it was a very common topic, and saved to Evernote. It's proven quite useful.

Professor Ward2 votes

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It's one of those argument I made in one thread, realized that it was a very common topic, and saved to Evernote. It's proven quite useful.

The problem with this argument is that during teamfights, arguably the most important factor in games, a decent vayne will always be in range and semi safe. Where she then will out-dps most every adc in the game, sure a corki q or an ez rotate are nice, but after that what? Vaynes teamfight dps outperforms teh entire rest of the cast. She is literally doing top tier damage from the beginning to the end of fights. And im not salty, i duo with a vayne. I hope she stays the same. just my thoughts. :D

Fadedpf1 votes

That's like saying all melee champions are being oppressed by ranged ones. Most of those are skills shots, learn how to play around those. She has a tumble which makes her very hard to hit. I never for a second thought Vayne was weak because a skill shot or two can hit her past her range. Tons of long range abilities exist why does this matter.

XLC2 votes

It's not that the long-range skill shots will hit her, it's that she doesn't have anything long-ranged of her own, which makes her vulnerable to being focused and locked down in teamfights. Sure, she has her Tumble and Condemn but she can be chain-cc'd fairly easily.

TheVishual2 votes

She is probably the strongest late game ADC in the game and you're correct she doesn't have a weak laning phase anymore due to multiple things (other bully ADCs getting nerfed, buffs to herself, and also buffs to BORK).

She's powercreeped alot and percentage true damage is impossible to itemize against/counter aside from "just cc and kill her" like every other OP champ rebuttal (only she's invisible and has self peel, oops).

The only people that downvote these threads are people who play vayne lol

Professor Ward1 votes

vayne outplays corki (and i could argue for 90% of the others listed) in every sense of the game besides escape, corki q and r are basically zoning skills late game and i would trade corki w for vaynes tumble any day of the week. ADCS always do best when auto attacking well, which is what vaynes entire kit revolves around.

JUST BECAUSE SHE ISNT INVINCIBLE DOESNT MEAN SHE ISNT BROKEN

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