Runaan's Hurricane

TurquoiseYoshi·Jul 31, 2015·5 votes·1,757 views

Built commonly on a whole 1 champion. Built rarely on 2-3 others. A bad item on most ADCs. For an item with such an interesting passive, it sucks that it doesn't see nearly any usage. It would be nice if this item got a buff. This is a fun item to use, but is really only good on Kalista as she scales well AS and the item procs Rend. You really can't use it on anyone else without feeling bad that you're wasting 2500 gold and an item slot. This item even got a small buff in 5.8, but it's still useless on most champions. Can we make it more than a way for lazy ADCs to waveclear better?

57 Comments

Knight SoIaire Jul 31, 20157 votes

ruunan isnt that bad on its own

the problem is that this item is forced to compete with ie and pd lw and lifesteal item combo

people take it on kalista because it does compete with that item set dealing similar damage

as far as adcs are forced to build the combo of most powerfull autoatacker items in the game and those items basicaly crowd out their inventory

there is little place for ruunans

Daedalus871Jul 31, 20151 votes

This guy hit the nail on the head.

StaconaAug 1, 20152 votes

Hurricane is horrible on its own - it is really good with items like blade, shiv and on certain champions that interact with hurricane in a certain way and not always having on-hit effects that deal damage

i really good trintiy of items is Blade, Hurricane, and Shiv and has a higher damage output late game than your standard crit ad build

Linna ExcelJul 31, 20156 votes

Hurricane was meant for applying on hit effects, so any ADC with an on-hit effect could consider it.

The biggest issues are:

Not all the ADCs have an on hit effect by themselves
Not a lot of items apply an on hit effect ADCs want. I mean an ADC could get ER but they don't.
The more on hit effects and AD you have, the better it is. Sadly, 1 and 2 hurt here.
Side bolts don't apply crits (or let you stack vayne's silver bolts on multiple enemies)
ADCs have a lot of things they need to buy and not much room for anything else.
If you fall behind and need to wave clear at your base, you probably don't have the AD to clear fast enough. Thus you can't pick this up when behind.
AS by itself is a pretty meh stat to have. Some ADCs scale better off of AD or Crit.
Going back to 2, if this item had some form of nice on hit itself, it'd be better. If the side bolts had a .6 or .7 AD scaling, it'd be better.
Because it isn't a high priority on many champs, the game might end before you can buy it.

I like this item and I use it from time to time, but I understand it has issues. TBH my favorite user of this is Orianna with nashors as a 4th or 5th item.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 31, 20151 votes

I've never thought of using Ori with Runaan's + Nashor's. I should try that. My favorite is Hurricane Gnar, as it's basically Vayne Silver Bolts, except it makes you go really fast and it does less damage.

Linna ExcelJul 31, 20151 votes

Well, you don't just auto attack, you weave AAs between spells on her. However her ult pulls multiple champs together which makes Hurricane a little better.

That's another thing about hurricane. If you are attacking 3 enemy champs, it gives you more damage than IE. However against 1, it'd kind of weak. So while you might want to pick it up for wave clear, when you are in PvP, hitting multiple enemy champs means you might be out of position most of the time. 1 enemy champ plus 2 minions ain't so bad though.

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

Nashor's Tooth as always been good with Orianna, do not go hurricane you need the ap

TusutakiJul 31, 20151 votes

Pretty much spot on. But in general its in a good spot right now. I usually build botrk and Hurricane on Thresh because Hurricane procs his E to deal surprisingly a lot of damage.

But if Hurricane is able to proc crits then it would be absolutely OP. Think about champs like Jinx where she can just use rockets and those rockets can crit.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

Ashe crits. Ashe crits on everything.

WolfBVJul 31, 20151 votes

What do you think of these things that might help?

As you said, increase the ad scaling of side bolts.
Have the side bolts be able to crit, but only for either 50, 75 or 100% of the crit damage.
Also as you said, could give it an on-hit effect as well, maybe like an armor reducing effect similar to wit's end.
It could always have other things that help it, like maybe a slow on all 3 bolts or maybe like a 20-25% slow on bolts that crit idk something random like that.

Linna ExcelJul 31, 20151 votes

I think small additional AD scaling could help. Crits might work, but it'd probably have to be for a flat amount like 25-50 damage.

A good on-hit effect for it is an issue though. Teemo gets it. Kayle gets it. Kalista gets it. It's got to be something both AP and AD ranged attackers would like.

I'd love to see splash damage like Kayle's E but that's a bit too much. A small slow might work simply because ranged champs don't get frozen mallet on one hand, on the other you'd have to consider them kiting. Thematically, a slow sounds best but I can't say if it'd work well from a balance standpoint. Maybe something that lets you steal AS and MS for 2-3 seconds would be cool if the slow route is viable. A small on hit true damage (10-20) might work. A small on hit heal/mana recovery feature might work. An on-hit CDR effect would be interesting to see.

Wiggle Dat ButtJul 31, 20153 votes

Built on Kayle a lot too

TurquoiseYoshiJul 31, 20151 votes

So 2 out of 126. Or 1/63. Or 1.6%

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

there are like 20 marksmen and some are AP for slightly more --- Kayle, Teemo, Graves, Twitch, Kalista, Jinx, Kog'Maw, Kennen, Varus, etc can all get hurricane - Ashe can get it if you want something super fun with the black market triple claw strike item it becomes hilarious while 5 stack Q is active

Shoot Them DeadJul 31, 20153 votes

Runaan's is fine. The issue is most champions don't want AOE damage. You want single target damage AKA crit. The exceptions happen because the item breaks the champion.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 31, 20151 votes

Most ranged champs don't want AoE damage. Ravenous Hydra is built often enough.

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

it extends your range by 375 units - and make your burn down an entire team rather than just the tank, with shiv you get crazy damage to everyone since shiv stacks waaaay faster with hurricane bolts so you can see every 3rd or 2nd attack procing statikk shiv

PartholonianAug 1, 20151 votes

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The exceptions happen because the item breaks the champion.

But crit breaks EVERY champion. Or at least every one that is popular in the current meta.

The thing is, even champions that seem like they should be really good with Runaans, like Twitch or Varus, either build something else or, more likely, aren't played at all because their kit doesn't work as well with the insane OPness of crit.

CindikleJul 31, 20153 votes

Ashe Can build it for gimmick reasons. Kalista Somewhat core item. Kayle Core item. KogMaw Reasonable item. Teemo Core if building around his poison AA. Twitch Reasonable item. Varus somewhat Core if AP. Gimmicky if AD.

A good bit more than one champion uses it. It's a very build focused item more than champion focused. Which is how a gimmick item should be.

It's not common because on hit builds are generally strong on melee champions more than ranged unless they have something to make it worth a lot of attack speed over more power. Generally stronger single target damage is better than being able to hit multiple targets.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

The thing is, with the exception of Kalista and maybe Kayle (I don't play her often), none of them even build it 50% of the time. Most of the characters up there are either not in the meta, or not in the meta with a Hurricane build. Kog and Varus are meta-ish, but both are more for poke as midlaners. Kog and Varus and Ashe and especially Twitch are all meh ADCs at best.

CindikleAug 1, 20151 votes

A lot of those builds wouldn't even be possible without Hurricane.

Niche items that get reworked/removed often are done so because their loss has no impact on the game.

Losing Hurricane would likely mean Kalista/Kayle buffs. Maybe Twitch. AA Teemo would die and he'd only bee shroom or burst Teemo. AP Varus would be hurt quite badly. It's already gimmicky. May as well remove his AP ratio's if they delete Hurricane. Ashe is just pain gimmicky. Losing it wouldn't really hurt her at all.

Zeke's getting reworked didn't require a buffing/nerfing process because it's core on no one. Same with Atma's getting deleted.

Master LycanJul 31, 20152 votes

Twitch Teemo Ashe : Hi guys

I say these From experience The Terror of Twitch is he Stealths up to your Team W, R, Auto, Auto, E and he gets a Pentakill

I'm not going to tell you my friends secret "Rambo Teemo" build, but I will say he out damages Late-game ADCs with some terrifying combat prowess.

And I really enjoy Runaan's on Ashe after Riot nerfed her Volley to give a max of one stack of Ranger's Focus so with Runaan's it's Auto, Auto, Q, THEN DEAL MASSIVE DAMAGE TO ANYTHING IN THE AREA. Rangers Focus only procs On-Hit Effects (Like BoRK For example) once per auto, but procs Runaan's every shot in the salvo AND RUNAANS BOLTS PROC ON-HIT EFFECTS

TurquoiseYoshiJul 31, 20152 votes

Twitch isn't a very good ADC in general.

Teemo is one of the 3 that builds it rarely.

Ashe is good with Runaan's, but better with a standard item 3031 item 3006 item 3046 item 3035 item 3072 item 3139 build.

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

Twitch is super fun, he is just a much weaker early game compared to the other hyper marksmen of Ashe, Jinx, Kog'Maw --- but an insanely good build for him is blade, hurricane, BT, shiv, last whisper

GamerThinkJul 31, 20151 votes

Ashe is great with hurricane as a support... all slowed... but not common pick XD

OverpoweredSoapJul 31, 20152 votes

I build Runaan's on support Ashe. x:

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

Support Ashe is something I haven't seen before honestly.

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

its actually really bad, you think a bunch of utility will make it good - but it sucks

aaronconlinJul 31, 20152 votes

I build it on Graves from time to time to spam E, plus the item makes lifesteal so ridiculous. However, it's pretty underwhelming. Maybe increasing the additional on-hit physical damage that it recently got could help.

ZyorhistJul 31, 20152 votes

its fairly common on varus too, but I agree it needs more than the passive and AS.

It really should carry another stat if its gonna compete with the other ADC repertoire.

Laustin SpaceJul 31, 20151 votes

Gnar item 3085 B)

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

I personally love Hurricane Gnar, but it really isn't that good.

Laustin SpaceAug 4, 20151 votes

Situational like most items should be but it can be very effective in organised team play. :3

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

you are melee half the time forcefully

A Miss FortuneJul 31, 20151 votes

Vayne item 3085

muh staks

WolfBVJul 31, 20151 votes

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muh staks

Well, good thing (and really sad XD) that it doesn't apply the stacks on 3 targets, else devourer Vayne just got god like. item 3933 item 3153 item 3006 item 3085 item 3022 item 3026 (Could switch the last item with anything tho.)

A Miss FortuneAug 1, 20151 votes

Vayne item 3085

muhhh stackssss

JustMyBassCannonJul 31, 20151 votes

Can only apply to one champ at a time, sadly

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

I think Runaan's actually nerfs her.

A Miss FortuneAug 1, 20151 votes

Vayne item 3085

muuhhhhh staccckssssss

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

silver bolts only work on the main target

Daedalus871Jul 31, 20151 votes

You do not know the full power of the storm until you play AD Kennen.

Kennen item 3087 item 3085 is the life.

BlacknemesistJul 31, 20151 votes

I think we already have enough AOE in the game as it is, we dont need every ADC doing it aswell. Seriously you press a button and most often than not you hit a bunch of people besides the one you meant to hit( Luden's Echo aka Retarded Echo aka " I cant hit anything so ill press a button and the game does it for me").

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

I think Ravenous Hydra is a more common item than Luden's.

Ser GarlandAug 1, 20151 votes

Runaans doesn't need a buff, it needs to be removed from the game. None of the champions who use it were SUPPOSED to use it in the first place. And all the champions it was supposed to be used on don't take it.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 1, 20151 votes

So what you're saying is that it needs a rework. Because I like the idea, just not how useless it is.

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

people just need to explorative rather than snuffling creativity --- it is good on a lot of champions and there is a certain trilogy of items that work insanely well together and deal a lot of damage, there is more than 2 trinities of AD items

StaconaAug 1, 20151 votes

Hurricane is good on Twitch, Kog'Maw, Jinx, Kalista, Teemo, Graves, Kennen, etc stop only doing things because you seen it in streams, LCS, and some korean did it- you can think outside the box

ChaoticPineconeAug 1, 20151 votes

Since it doesnt crit and many ADCs require crit, its not a good item on ADCs. I think its meant for on-hit damage dealers - like Kayle or Teemo. Basically, an item for ranged champions that can use Nashors, Botrk, and Wits End.