Kalista, Azir, and Fizz were all nerfed on PBE

TurquoiseYoshi··63 votes·4,676 views

But sure, keep talking about Zed's imaginary buff and Syndra's true damage and Shen's well-earned nerf.

Keep thinking that Riot is intentionally trying to make the assassin meta return.

Bard gets a buff, and nobody says anything. Makes me sad item 3070 Bard item 3070

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Lugg33 votes

No one said anything about Bard's buff because everyone knew he was underpowered and needed it to be viable.

As for Zed, his win rate has gone up 17 PERCENT since the patch went live. So much for "imaginary".

Kalista is so broken that a rework is the only hope for her at this point.

Azir still has bugs to be worked out.

Fizz has really NEVER been nerfed. They just move the power around in his kit and never address what is wrong with him.

P3rro7 votes

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No one said anything about Bard's buff because everyone knew he was underpowered and needed it to be viable.

As for Zed, his win rate has gone up 17 PERCENT since the patch went live. So much for "imaginary".

Kalista is so broken that a rework is the only hope for her at this point.

Azir still has bugs to be worked out.

Fizz has really NEVER been nerfed. They just move the power around in his kit and never address what is wrong with him.

Just saying that the Zed win rate might have gone up because there is just more Zed players in general, preparing for PROJECT hype.

dannykun9 votes

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Just saying that the Zed win rate might have gone up because there is just more Zed players in general, preparing for PROJECT hype.

the same thing happened once fiora Actually hit live, her win rate shot up because her rework was so powerful and everyone wanted to try it out. He's not imagining things, they are very much connected.

Lajneen5 votes

Zed's winrate is at 47%, the same as it always was.

Lugg6 votes

That's overall. Look at the rate for Challenger. It went up 17%. Coincidence? I don't think so. Only reason Zed's rate has ever been low is due to so many scrubs playing him. On mains he is ridiculously OP.

Lajneen33 votes

You're using Challenger winrates as an example? You realize that there are so few people in Challenger that every champions winrate changes drastically each day right? Hell, one player alone can decide whether Zed has 0% or 100% winrate in Challenger.

Lugg3 votes

That is why you compair the month long rates with the week long ones.

Lajneen26 votes

The fact that Twitch has a 89% winrate in Challenger should be enough to make you realize how ridiculous it is to use Challenger winrate as an example.

TotalJerk3 votes

This is the same Twitch that won Worlds, mind you.

Tannhäuser Gate4 votes

TBF twitch is filthy when he gets a lead

Aych Pii1 votes

Hasn't twitch been nerfed heavily since the patch SSW won worlds on?

Sire Hippington2 votes

he's been nerfed a bit, but he also recived quite some buffs afterwards, so right now he's pretty close to where he was last worlds. i for one expect to see twitch return to proplay at worlds.

Alpharite2 votes

Nope, Twitch was nerfed BEFORE worlds in patch 4.10.

TotalJerk1 votes

Nope. He's actually been buffed.

KarKzz1 votes

Poppy 80% winrate gg wp.

Sire Hippington2 votes

a 16% winrate change is nothing special in challanger. He dropped by 22% from 7/29 to 7/30 for no reason at all, just to go up 11% the next day again... challanger winrates mean absolutly nothing due to the small samplesize. If it would be average winrate over a month, it might be enough, but lolking provides daily winrates...

joebob481 votes

actually her win rate right when she hit live was very low

dannykun2 votes

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actually her win rate right when she hit live was very low

Yes the day she came out was really high, but it increased at an extremely rapid pace in the immediate future, and her pick rate stablized at almost double it's previous rate as well.

Vistha Kai2 votes

Zed's winrate went up by about 0.10%. Lugg thinks he's an expert on the game, while in the truth he's a bronze troll at best.

Lugg1 votes

ROFL, his win rate spiked hard.

Vistha Kai1 votes

IKR 0.08%, they should nerf all his abilities in the monday's hotfix.

Lugg1 votes

Where are you getting 0.08? Other than just making it up.

Vistha Kai1 votes

I'm not making anything up. I already told you where I got that information. Look for it. It's somewhere in this thread.

Lugg1 votes

Ok, I see now. You are using win rate for Plat+. Too bad I clearly stated that I was talking about Challenger.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Too bad there are 200 Challengers per server and a champion's winrate and pickrate in Challenger can vary between 0% and 100% DAILY.

But why do I even try to reason with a troll.

Lugg1 votes

Facepalm

I NEVER use daily stats. Heck I rarely use the weekly ones. If you look today, Zed's win increase from the monthly to the last week is up about 11%. This proves the entire point I was making that the reversion of his nerf was going to put him into OP territory again.

Vistha Kai1 votes

You are right. It proves a lot. Especially the fact that an average of COMPLETELY USELESS STATISTICS means anything.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I'm talking about the PBE. If there's a PBE win rate thing somewhere, I'd like to see it.

Lugg1 votes

Sorry, thought you were talking about the previous releases. Your OP was hazy about that since it didn't mention anything specific.

TurquoiseYoshi3 votes

Sorry about that. I thought it might have been kinda implied, as everything else was a PBE change, but I can see how you didn't see it. I say some hazy things a lot. Normally I think out these posts, but the OP was not one of them.

OverpoweredSoap3 votes

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Kalista is so broken that a rework is the only hope for her at this point.

Kalista needs her jumping passive removed and possibly a change to her E.

Then she'd fine.

Her ult could be changed too, but thematically it's honestly very good.

Lugg2 votes

Riot has already said they won't remove or change her passive.

OverpoweredSoap7 votes

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Riot has already said they won't remove or change her passive.

Well goodbye everyone it was very nice knowing all of you but I have better things to deal with than Riot deciding not to remove or change her passive because honestly that's a stupid decision.

iamleburk1 votes

They should just give her E a toggle, like jinx. Have the heavy spears apply rend stacks and do extra damage and the light spears do the 90% AD they do now and allow the hopping. the rest of her kit is fine

Booleans1 votes

AD bruiser fizz was nerfed. As soon as you get 400 ap, around the mid to late transition, the higher ratio makes w hit harder. The biggest disparity at any point in the game with new W is 20 points, and as you complete your first few ap items the damage difference becomes negligible. Full build ap deals 20 more points of damage with w.

Sire Hippington2 votes

as most experienced AP-fizz max W first, you hit the 20 damage difference at rank 9, you won't have more than 100-150 ap by then, so still 12.5-15 damage differnce per hit, which is atleast 50-60 in an all in, and 37.5-45 in a normal trade. Added with the ult nerf, which has a bit impact on AP fizz aswell as he still uses AAs+Q and has some base-AD, thats ~100 less damage in an level 9 all in. And if you don't get some early kills, you need a long long time to ever reach 400+ ap on him...

Illâoi Evê Siôn9 votes

After 400 AP Fizz has been buffed :D

Anidan2 votes

Nerf to bases, buff to scaling. It's what people asked for. I see nothing wrong with it.

ArkenStorm2 votes

that removes tank fizz a little more from the equation. Which I would prefer. I want to be able to burst him in the few seconds I have off his troll pole, as opposed to not being able to kill him before it's up again.

Lajneen5 votes

What do you expect? 95% of Gameplay & Balance are Bronzies. Everyone knows that Bronzies will never stop crying about Assassins, not even after they made Assassins useless.

TurquoiseYoshi8 votes

Well, mathematically, 80% of the Boards would be Bronze-Gold, as that's where 80% of the playerbase is.

Totalis4 votes

Fizz w got 20 base damage off the max rank for another .05 ap ratio, which means its a buff once he gets past 400 ap, which really isnt that hard :/

iainB854 votes

It's a nerf to AD Fizz only, which I'm cool with.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

And a hit at FIzz's Level 3 all-in.

SwapShadows3 votes

Lol did he really use challenger winrates to dictate how strong a champion is?

you do realize that taric could literally have 100% winrate in challenger?? challenger winrates mean absolutely nothing

Zone of Endless3 votes

bards already good. Those buff doesn't change much. Mana isn't a huge issue for him and the lowered CD on E is just whatever

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

He's kinda good in coordinated 5v5s, but in Solo Queue, he's crap because he can do literally nothing on his own.

Zone of Endless5 votes

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He's kinda good in coordinated 5v5s, but in Solo Queue, he's crap because he can do literally nothing on his own.

not in my experience

Auz the Ripper1 votes

A really good (or bad) bard can just ruin people's day He's like the Nunu of supports

Woodsy25753 votes

Yay assassin meta!!!

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