Vladimir Nerfs Incoming?

Wobly··5 votes·4,478 views

Vlad's pick and ban rates have both shot up in the last week since he's been played in the LCS. Vlad also has a number of features in his kit that Riot hasn't looked kindly upon in the past. All targeted damage (unless you count his ult as a skill shot), high sustain on a mage, and binary lane match ups (sorta like pre-nerf Ryze, mobile bruisers tend to punish him, but immobile melees get destroyed). Vlad also has his weaknesses, no doubt. But I'd predict that his sudden popularity combined with his kit containing some elements Riot has not been happy with in other champions makes him a likely candidate for the nerf bat.

Do you think Vlad will get nerfed? Should he be nerfed, and if so how?

17 Comments

Raptamei1 votes

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Vlad's pick and ban rates have both shot up in the last week since he's been played in the LCS.

Does that surprise you in any way?

Of course he will get nerfed. Riot listens to the community, and according to the community, any champion that's played in the LCS is game breaking OP.

Wobly1 votes

I'm not surprised at all that his pick/ban rate rose after getting LCS play, that's pretty typical. I don't know if I agree that Riot always nerfs whoever the player base thinks is strong, if they did then Zed and Lee Sin would have been so savagely nerfed that no one would ever play them again.

It seems to me like the main criteria they have for nerfing champions are: is this champion strong in competitive play? Does their kit promote the kind of gameplay we want out of LoL? If the answers are Yes and Yes, they may get some moderate nerfs to bring them into line with other competitive picks. If the answers are Yes and No, they usually get nerfed to oblivion (see Ryze and Warwick) until they eventually get reworked.

I guess I'm wondering if that same thing is about to happen to Vlad.

Zarxis1 votes

Maybe Riot will finally rework Vlad and spell vamp... Maybe they'll even release the mythical fighter rework and Dragon Master Swain, too... Oh, wait, hell hasn't frozen over yet.

Wobly1 votes

But short of having a rework completed already, it seems like Riot's Standard Operating Procedure is to nerf powerful champions they feel have unhealthy gameplay out of viability until said rework can get done. I think that may be where Vlad is heading. How do you think he ought to be handled?

Sorioku2 votes

He should. He's popular and so annoying. With the rise of tanks and drawing the game out as opppsed to the early game dominance junglers and tp is WAAAAYYY too accessible right now. Gut em

Orga Itsuka3 votes

sounds like u just lost to a Vlad one too many times.

Zarxis1 votes

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But short of having a rework completed already, it seems like Riot's Standard Operating Procedure is to nerf powerful champions they feel have unhealthy gameplay out of viability until said rework can get done. I think that may be where Vlad is heading. How do you think he ought to be handled?

Considering how quick Riot was to crush\wreck\rework Veigar after removing DFG, I'm sure they could change Vladimir rather quickly. Making his Q a skillshot would be an easy band-aid fix. They could also make his E cost more health if it doesn't hit anything. His Q could give less health to him if he uses it on minions, as well.

Holîday1 votes

He sucks in solo queue for the most part. Easily countered and when countered loses HARD, shit early game and doesn't truly shine until late unless fed. I'd really laugh out loud if he got nerfed just because of LCS. Vlad is pretty much the opposite of a solo queue stomper. I really really don't see him being targeted for nerfs, he is in no way out of control or overpowered.

Wobly1 votes

I don't know about Vlad being weak in SoloQ. Despite a significant increase in pick rate indicating that more new players are picking Vlad up, his win rate hasn't suffered, in fact it's risen slightly and is still above 50%.

Vlad definitely has weaknesses in lane, any melee with good sticking power can jump on him and bully him right out of the gate. But you could have said the same about pre-nerf Ryze, who was strong but could still be stomped in lane by J4 or Irelia.

And then there are his strong lane match ups against less mobile melees, in which he can be just as oppressive as pre-nerf Ryze.

Personally I think Vlad needs some changes to make his lane match ups a little less one sided. He shouldn't stomp or get stomped so much on the basis of match up.

Holîday1 votes

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I don't know about Vlad being weak in SoloQ. Despite a significant increase in pick rate indicating that more new players are picking Vlad up, his win rate hasn't suffered, in fact it's risen slightly and is still above 50%.

Vlad definitely has weaknesses in lane, any melee with good sticking power can jump on him and bully him right out of the gate. But you could have said the same about pre-nerf Ryze, who was strong but could still be stomped in lane by J4 or Irelia.

And then there are his strong lane match ups against less mobile melees, in which he can be just as oppressive as pre-nerf Ryze.

Personally I think Vlad needs some changes to make his lane match ups a little less one sided. He shouldn't stomp or get stomped so much on the basis of match up.

Vlad as a top or mid is lackluster no matter what early on, even in favorable matchups. He's just weak with his super long Q cd. He's got no mobility or hard cc for ganks (just a small slow on W) and he doesn't chunk or tank that hard until he's got several items. This is all undesirable traits for a solo queue stomper. Basically as vlad you're taking the gamble your team doesn't need you to carry them out of lane phase and you can scale comfortably to dominate mid/late game.

Cansema1 votes

he moved to mid because tanks moved to jungle and pushed squishy AP champions with little to no escape out.

ADC's started moving into the mid lane so top lane came down to push them out.

Cause and effect. revert the jungle or nerf the sustain of some adc's so they cant spam spells... Ez for example. play 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJDIg0IATFg Riot has been trying to help tanks in the jungle..

if you have any ideas throw them out on a post.. maybe someone will hear.

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

I'd be more inclined to think "spike in interest because people were reminded he exists" than being a sign that nerfs are needed.

Time will tell, though.

Simplicate1 votes

Don't think he will be nerfed nor should he be considered for a nerf. I mean targeted damage isn't really a problem, not all champ need a skill shot in their kits.

ProphaneProphet1 votes

Vlad was one of my first champions, precisely because he's newbie friendly. His skill cap isn't very high, his sustain means you can recover from mistakes, and his pool gives some gank safety. In teamfights, he has nice direct damage, and moderate area of effect damage, and no skillshots. This allows newbies to learn the macro game while not worrying so much about the micro game.

The tradeoff is that most people will play him passively in lane till lvl 6, because of is long q cooldown and his self damage from w and e. He can be bullied quite easily by mobile bruisers like Riven and Tryndamere. More experienced players can turn this around however. Once you can reliably last hit minions without your spells (something new players have difficulty with) you can save your q for harass. In this situation, Vlad becomes more dangerous, especially vs opponents that only want to farm.

While these can make Vlad frustrating to lane against, he has very direct and obvious counters. Grievous Wounds, Ignite, long range nukes and cc. Riven, Malzahar, and similar champs can shut him down quickly. Even after he reaches his spammy phase, he has no real way to disengage after his pool is spent, no cc, and and decent amount of Magic Resist will make him have to invest in penetration, which limits his access to big AP items.

Newbie friendly champs like Vlad are a very necessary part of the game if Riot wants to continue to expand the player base. Not every champion should be Lee Sin, Zed, Azir, and the like. In fact, there could probably stand to be a few more champions in Vlad's difficulty tier. Even in LCS tier play, champs like Vlad are nice to provide solid, safe picks to minimize risk in uncertain matchups.

So no, I don't really think he needs to be nerfed. Or reworked.

TwoD1 votes

Vlad is ezpz not even hard to win against or to play as, if you can't play Vlad or lose to Vlad you got problems

Condottiero1 votes

Inb4 rework

Q made into a skillshot E made into a skillshot R given a delay

"counterplay"

Erzquell1 votes

Im getting this thread back up, because Will of the Ancients is going to have a change. It wont change Vlad Sustain that harsh, he'll be only getting about ~40 HP back with 400 AP and 100 MR.

Im a Vlad Main and i can say he doesnt need a nerf. Maybe the passive AP to HP scaling, but the rest fits very well.

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