when support claims they are a support then they dont build like one

siilentdeath·Mar 24, 2016·2 votes·803 views

really tired of getting supports like . then the player saying they are a legit brand support then they build all ap and no wards. annie supports are pretty much the same too. with dynamic Q players should expect support if they say "fill" in any of the 2 options. its getting to the point were i have to q dodge stuff like as support picks. i do not do well in kill lanes when my support is saying " sorry i took those 2 kills and cs from you". they say that alot followed up with buying no sightstone. so yeah how can anyone climb like this?

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Aeolian MelodiesMar 24, 20164 votes

No one can buy regular wards, so as long as he has a Sightstone that's the best you can get.
I would rather see Brand use his gold to get AP and become a secondary threat then see Brand use his gold for a fucking + and be utterly useless outside of pressing actives and a single target stun that requires a combo and a skillshot. The point of taking a mage as your support is that their kill lane potential helps them transition into a damage dealer, as long as he has Sightstone, his job's done.

siilentdeathMar 24, 20161 votes

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No one can buy regular wards, so as long as he has a Sightstone that's the best you can get.

I would rather see Brand use his gold to get AP and become a secondary threat then see Brand use his gold for a fucking + and be utterly useless outside of pressing actives and a single target stun that requires a combo and a skillshot. The point of taking a mage as your support is that their kill lane potential helps them transition into a damage dealer, as long as he has Sightstone, his job's done.

my main issue is they dont ward as i stated in my initial post. no sightstone and all ap

MeserionMar 24, 20163 votes

Annie are not true supports, they're picked because there kits are effective for supporting. Expecting them to build like a support is unreasonable, when their design is not for supporting.

NahuiMar 24, 20161 votes

I'm sick of the shitty support known as Vel Koz. He's just a free 300g to whomever decides to take it.

CookiepearMar 24, 20161 votes

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siilentdeathMar 24, 20161 votes

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You realize that all champions can basically play any position? You can just build a squishy to be tanky/AP then send her off to supp/jg? You should try to encourage people to buy certain things and decide team stuff before lock-in.
 My main is Gnar ![Gnar](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Gnar.png) , and the only thing he sucks at is jg. (in early game) So...yeah. Instead of doing this, ( I understand letting out heat), just next time encourage or even play supp yourself. 
     
     Annie's main lane is mid. Just switch with her. :) Also, about the wards, anyone on your team can take 4 seconds to place down a ward.

                      ~Perry

supports are supposed to help provide more vision on the map. its one of there duties. i dont see lcs supports in ranked say sightstones are a dumb item and that they suck. the cd on the trinket is insanely high compared to a sightstone. i dont mind the off meta supports if they play like supports and not carries who didnt get there lane choice.

SirsirMar 24, 20161 votes

Every team needs a sightstone. TBH I don't typically care what you build as long as it includes an Eye of Something. However somethings simply shouldn't be. Yes, support Veigar can work, but he is one of the most farm dependent champs in the game trying to go into a role THAT CANNOT FARM. Why? If you want a big AoE CC and damage in the support role pick Zyra or something. Support Heimerdinger steals and ruins CS. Support if very flexible but that doesn't mean it has no break point.

siilentdeathMar 24, 20161 votes

whats even funnier is when an adc gets a troll support pick and they troll back with ap support Caitlyn . the support who troll picked starts to flip out. as if they expected you to pick a proven adc. when they picked something stupid and unproven for a support. with the expectation that you pick a meta

Aeolian MelodiesMar 24, 20161 votes

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whats even funnier is when an adc gets a troll support pick and they troll back with ap support . the support who troll picked starts to flip out. as if they expected you to pick a proven adc. when they picked something stupid and unproven for a support. with the expectation that you pick a meta

Define "troll pick" support when history even in the highest level of play has proven that the support role is ridiculously flexible.

Annie Blitzcrank Elise Fiddlesticks Gragas Karma Kayle Kennen Morgana Nautilus Poppy Nunu Shen Velkoz Zilean Zyra <- none of those were intended as bot lane supports. They've all seen pro play at some point in time.

Baby GhoulMar 24, 20161 votes

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Define "troll pick" support when history even in the highest level of play has proven that the support role is ridiculously flexible.

<- none of those were intended as bot lane supports. They've all seen pro play at some point in time.

They are niche picks though. All except for Morgana, Blitzcrank, Karma, Zilean, and of course Nautilus.

Yeah the support role is flexible, to an extent. I would describe the support role as flexible in that many support champions can sync well with a good number of ADCs. These meta supports can sync up better with a majority of bot lane partners because of their high utility. Synergy in bot lane is much more important than it was last season.

As a support main, you should not be playing Annie or Brand support as much as the other meta supports, because they're niche. They are used in specific situations to maximize your laning potential. I don't see that happen in gold and below. What I see are the special snowflakes who thinks they can make it work every time, and you just can't.

At what point do we stop and say you're putting your team at a disadvantage?

Or worse, what OP said, people build AP instead of Sightstone and Oracle because it works from time to time. The first thing you should learn when you queue up for support is champion synergy. A monkey could ward, but it takes actual knowledge to make strategic picks like these and I don't think the majority of people making them in low ELO know what they're doing.

So when Annie locks in as support with a Caitlyn ADC, I don't blame the ADC for getting salty. They clearly don't know where she works.

siilentdeathMar 24, 2016

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Define "troll pick" support when history even in the highest level of play has proven that the support role is ridiculously flexible.

<- none of those were intended as bot lane supports. They've all seen pro play at some point in time.

in the pro play the off meta supports will ward and not steal kills or take cs. in bronze they will 9/10 times play like a carry. the off meta support players are just those people who hit fill to get a quick match. who were gonna pick a carry over a legit support anyways. with 0 intent to play like a support.

SirsirMar 24, 20161 votes

He defined troll pick as Gnar Yorick Kindred Nasus . With the possible exception of Gnar (MAYBE Yorick, maybe. Ogod I wanna try that now ;-;) Those are pretty reasonable troll supports.

No flash no lifeMar 24, 20161 votes

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how can anyone climb like this?

They don't.

As for you, play the support instead and once you climb to the point where supports don't troll then play w/e you were playing.

hi im mintyMar 24, 20161 votes

I play lux support because in bronze/silver it's hard to help carry a game as soraka. Just saying.

siilentdeathMar 24, 20161 votes

as i stated in this forum post. the support who gose off meta completely wants you to play a proven meta adc. yet they can what ever they want because that is ok. if a support decides to say im going Tryndamere and you then say well ok im going Taric with a full adc build. they flip out on you 9/10 times.