Is janna immune to nerfs

Rivuo·Dec 16, 2016·75 votes·5,996 views

I'm not asking for her to be nerfed or buffed. I dont want to discuss her balance but shes had a 53-54% win rate and a high play rate for as long as ive been playing this game.

154 Comments

At Least I WardDec 16, 201655 votes

Fun fact: Janna is actually the champion with the most nerfs recieved in league

Sire HippingtonDec 16, 20168 votes

and yet she barly ever dropped below 53% winrate in plat+, and if she did, it only was for one patch. Kinda tells that her kit is broken beyond numbers.

KlavierDec 16, 20162 votes

they also nerfed the utility of her Q

Sire HippingtonDec 16, 20168 votes

They can nerf that utillity all they want, as long as it has even 0.01sec of a knockup it will interupt mobillity tools and thus be very strong in the hands of a good player. Unless her instant cast Q no longer has any knockup(which would be a change to her mechanics rather than numbers), she will remain beeing a hard counter to nearly all melees in the game

VolcanuzDec 16, 20164 votes

Best way to counteract that is to change the lower charge times of her Q to not knock up but to slow target. So no more instant knock ups by double tapping Q.

FalconPawwwwnchDec 16, 20166 votes

I'm pretty sure Alistar has gotten more

I distinctively remember him getting nerfed in like 10-15 different patches

But I could be wrong

VolcanuzDec 16, 20164 votes

Well technically all the old first 25 or so champions have received the most nerfs in the game.

In my memory Jax has seen the most direct and indirect changes of any champion in the game. As he is a kit which relies heavy on items and he has seen items he is good with be removed and changed out the wazoo for as long as i can remember (7 years of playing). I mean he was like the first rework ever for instance.

CresmontDec 16, 201611 votes

#neverforget90percentdodgechancejax Jax

VolcanuzDec 16, 20162 votes

I was only just getting good at jax when they removed that. XD

dominusxDec 16, 201640 votes

because she presses a button and makes melee champs useless. simple. and she has no skillcap you just shield ppl and afk

RivuoDec 16, 201616 votes

{quoted}

because she presses a button and makes melee champs useless. simple. and she has no skillcap you just shield ppl and afk

i main adc and i kind of think its fucking stupid how easy it is for her to get an assassin off me

VerdadeDec 16, 201628 votes

Step 1: "insert support name in caps lock" IS OP, NURF Step 2: OMG SOMEONE PLAY SUPPORT, FUCKING AUTOFILL THX RITO

Zen FuryDec 16, 20168 votes

{quoted}

Step 1: "insert support name in caps lock" IS OP, NURF Step 2: OMG SOMEONE PLAY SUPPORT, FUCKING AUTOFILL THX RITO

Yep. What do these people want? Do they want supports to be relevant and useful or be irrlevant, useless, and replaced by mages (causing even more whining)?

The same people who hate playing support are often the ones crying to nerf supports. "Oh, Janna OP cuz she stopped my instagib!" No she's not OP. She's not stomping face. She's not going 24/0. Don't attribute lack of pick and play skills to a champ being OP. She does no damage, and is squishy as hell. All she has is utility. You take that away and she's useless.

5000000000000000Dec 16, 20164 votes

Her skill cap is shielding to block poke in lane. Takes a little bit of practice, but still not too hard.

DarkRitualDec 16, 201617 votes

Her actual skillcap is Q zoning objectives, and Ult usage other than just simple "go away" button. I beleive it was Adrian earlier this year, used Janna ult from dragon pit to push and lock someone against a wall that was near tri-bush over the wall so their team could get the kill.

But no, keep thinking that pressing R or E is the cap of Janna skill.

5000000000000000Dec 16, 20163 votes

Now that you say it... Knowing when to use R is definitely important. It can fuck up team fights hard. Predicting max charge Q is an important part of her kit, too.

Supreme Senpai69Dec 16, 20162 votes

I've used R to push an enemy Annie into my Nidalee's spear lol. Nid got the kill, was pretty epic

AMYS GRAVEDec 16, 20163 votes

At one point in an aram i tried to janna ult away an enemy blitz, but i was too late and pushed him into his turret. His hook brought my teammate with him giving him the fadeaway.

ummm lag? sure lag.

Blumpkin NationDec 16, 20166 votes

She has very little offensive options. In order to set up really good ganks she'd have to land a max Q. Ever since the utility scaling that plagued supports in S4? s5? her only offensive tool that was really good was her W.

Her Q and E cost a lot of mana to use consistently so if she is spamming them she will eventually have to run out. If you are diving the ADC instead of Janna you are doing it wrong. Janna has to choose to defend herself or the ADC and can only do it once every 6 seconds (not including her ult).

You focus her down just like you would Sona or Soraka. Janna is just good at punishing people who want to 1 vs 2.

RavoreDec 17, 20162 votes

Janna has a high skill cap but low skill floor. Put her in the hands of someone who knows what spells the adc can and can't take and she's a monster. She is the support for disengaging and she does it well.

AreDec 16, 201621 votes

She's been nerfed plenty of times in the past. Her kit is just too good at peeling to make her irrelevant.

In no particular order

Shorter tornado charge = less distance
Shield no longer gives AD if shield is broken
The stun after being knocked back with her ult is a little bit less (.75 > .5)
Howling Gale lost some width
Lost global MS passive. Lost MS in aura passive (now only works if you move towards her)
Janna's MS from W is now lost when W is on CD
AD bonus from shield nerfed across all ranks
Janna W now has static 12s CD instead of descending 1s with each rank
AP ratio on R nerfed
Knock up time is less if you charged less (Pretty sure this one was added, can't be sure tho)
Her ult used to slow after the knockback (thanks ByTheBeardOfZeus)

KetiDec 16, 20167 votes

She used to be an extra helping of broken

ByTheBeardOfZeusDec 16, 20164 votes

Her ult used to slow enemies inside it after the knockback part.

Dominick DestineDec 16, 20164 votes

{quoted}

Howling Gale lost some width

SOME width? it used to be like twice as wide.

StillnameDec 16, 201610 votes

Because when a Janna and Vayne win a 2v3 people don't see it as Janna being op they only see the Vayne that just "3v1"ed

Purpl3Jungl3Dec 17, 20164 votes

It's pretty sad how supps go unnoticed

tooo spicyDec 16, 20169 votes

BEEN CRYING ABOUT JANNA OP SINCE SEASON 3 BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO RIOT DOESN'T CARE

VerdadeDec 16, 201614 votes

Yeah, nerf supports so that mains stop playing them, everyone gets autofilled into support and dodges because supports aren't relevant. Infinite queues everywhere

MissingKayoDec 16, 20169 votes

Oh look an assassin managed to actually skillfully flank and catch me/a carry off guard. It would be a shame if… I pressed R.

VoidStaresBackDec 16, 201624 votes

Maybe if the assassin was more skillful they would have played around the Janna pick and either nuked somebody Janna wasn't protecting or waited until Janna burned her ultimate to stop, say, a teammates engage. You can't play the same way in every game with every champion and expect the same results, sometimes there are other factors you have to consider.

Mig89Dec 16, 20167 votes

Its an ult so this really isnt an issue... Shes blowing her ult to save a life. Its no worse that what Kayle or Taric do other than you get pushed away. At least your ranges teammates can still melt the target.

Varys of Lys Dec 16, 20168 votes

Janna is actually apparently one of the most nerfed champions in the game along with Ezreal

DroogzyDec 16, 20167 votes

Janna will always be strong due to the nature and mindset of a majority of the playerbase that feels they need to think in a one directional manner of kill kill kill. Her kit by nature is about denying those kills. Until we see a shift in mind set of players, Janna will always be strong.

In other words, Janna isn't really the problem here. Could you consider her freelo? Sure. But that's more the fault of the players playing against Janna. Not Janna herself.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 17, 20163 votes

Thank you! This is why people complain about my Raka. ;_;

PennsDec 16, 20166 votes

Good thing she isnt also immune to bans hehe xd

101100111000Dec 16, 20166 votes

You weren't around when they repeatedly kept trying to nerf Janna, but she kept being good anyway?

She has nothing but utility left now. If you gut her utility, something every support should have and excel at, then she literally does nothing. She's a passive support people have trouble dealing with, just leave her as is. Nerf her any more and she'll stop being played all together, which I thought was something we wanted to avoid having being done to champions.

TworieDec 16, 20165 votes

well if they nerfed her, she'd be pretty useless... those tornadoes are pretty hard to land since they come at you pretty slowly... the only way you can land those things is by surprise. If they nerfed her, what would she do? She'd just be a damageless shieldbot with a weak movement speed aura

DarkRitualDec 16, 20161 votes

Soooo, basically Lulu.

TworieDec 16, 20163 votes

Lulu has plenty of damage with her Q and E and AAs :/ along with some tankiness with her ult

she's totally unlike Janna :U

DarkRitualDec 16, 20165 votes

I actually looked out of curiosity. Janna has similar base/scalings to Lulu (Tornado depending on charge time). Lulu has less AD and AS, but the Pix passive makes up for it. Overall, their damage outputs are likely very similar based on kit alone. Lulu certainly would want more offense out of runes/masteries/items though, hence actually ending up dealing more in games where they follow standard builds for each.

They aren't exacy dissimilar anyhow.

RozzetaDec 16, 20165 votes

Remember when Sona was deemed "freelo", because she synergized well in a poke heavy ADC meta? Or when Soraka was "freelo", because she synergized well with a caster ADC meta? Or Nunu nerfed out of support when Kog hypercarry was meta. And now Janna is the "freelo", because she works well at protecting current meta hypercarries from the ever so frequent tower divers.

It's not hard to make the connection on what's really broken here, rather than the support of the month.

RivuoDec 16, 20168 votes

{quoted}

Remember when Sona was deemed "freelo", because she synergized well in a poke heavy ADC meta?

NO.

She was deemed freelo because she hit a fucking 57% win rate with the changes.

Or when Soraka was "freelo", because she synergized well with a caster ADC meta?

Uhh you mean the champ that even Riot said they cant balance without breaking? Yeah that champ?

Or Nunu nerfed out of support when Kog hypercarry was meta.

Yeah because nunu didnt hit a 56% win rate

And now Janna is the "freelo", because she works well at protecting current meta hypercarries from the ever so frequent tower divers.

It's not hard to make the connection on what's really broken here, rather than the support of the month.

Except janna has been freelo for 3 years now.

fuck no. You have no idea what you're talking about

I can literally guarentee you are a support main who just wants to bitch.

RozzetaDec 16, 20163 votes

"The cause of death was asphyxiation."
"You're wrong. The cause of death is because he died."

Dominick DestineDec 16, 20164 votes

{quoted}

"The cause of death was asphyxiation."

"You're wrong. The cause of death is because he died."

Lol'd hard at this.

Partially because I had a teacher that was a dick, he would always say: "You're all wrong, the real cause of death was a heart attack" and we would be like "WTF?", his argument was that the definition of "cessation of life" in humans is defined as the "cessation of functioning of the cardiopulmonary system" which is actually true. So literally every single human dies of a "heart attack" or more precisely , a stopped heart, whether it be through hypovolemic shock or .... well basically it's always hypovolemic shock. It always come down to that.

Etc. the above quoted was funny.

ConturbatioDec 16, 20165 votes

Please head over to her patch notes history and read the long list of nerfs she's received since the beginning of time.

SpoofghoulDec 16, 20164 votes

apparently anything windy and or wally is

Imperial PandaaDec 16, 20164 votes

Well, she does charge 2.95 a minute to take your breath away.

She is a versatile support who can either rock Spell thief or Amulet Coin. One of my favorite things to do is actually split push with Janna. The enemy doesn't usually just send the support to deal with it, but one of the damage dealers or multiple people. So I pull aggro and can still effectively run away by using my abilities and item cds while my team punishes another lane or objective. Janna is fun and works well with many adcs.

Rem Was HereDec 17, 20164 votes

pretty sure she had more nerfs than any other champ in the game.

PiVoRxDec 16, 20163 votes

Janna is under the radar cause her kit may not feel toxic, but anybody with a decent awarness knows shes overpowered. All she have to do is to press R to fuck over any meele champion that tries to kill her adc.

NekoniClawsDec 16, 20163 votes

Just a suposition here, but- shouldn't all 'viable' supports have an above average winrate, even if they're properly balanced?

People like to pick non-viable supports all the time, and to troll when they get forced to play support. Janna however is not a champion you can play off-meta, mostly only dedicated support players even own her, and she's impossible to mess up (you can just hang back and throw out sheilds, press R, and her speed means she'll can escape and not feed). The fact she's played in the role she was designed for has to have some effect on her winrate. Ontop of some of the other factors that've already been mentioned.

Janna is, in my opinion, increadibly weak. Her laning phase is trash, she's very reactive (not so proactive) and most Jannas I've seen can't hit a single tornado ALL game (no offense to the good players out there, there's just so many bad ones) But she's very on-meta, and I'd rather have a Janna than a Teemo. And I hate Janna.