Or even less, and let it be 4/3 votes on favor. A lot of the matches are a huge waste of time. Your team knows it, your opponents know it, you know it, but there is always that guy that wants to hold everyone hostage. Trying to comeback from a game he is making impossible to comeback. And since 3 means the majority of the team don't want to play with that team anymore, it should be over.
Ch1efBeefQueef7 votesHave you ever considered that maybe the games are a waste of time because everyone gives up way too fast?
Be realistic man, If 40% of the time the game is going to be a stomp for you, and 40% of the time the game is going to be you getting stomped; how do you justify that grey 20% area?
You are not clairvoyant. You cannot decide the winner within 10 minutes of every game.
CubanAnnibal1 votesyou first need to take count of players like (Omg ff) after the first death. after that it gets worse so yes I think it should be changed to 10 mint not a bad idea, this game is constant bs with this players cant even go pass silver 5.
Ch1efBeefQueef2 votesFirst you need to take into account that this surrender system encourages this sort of toxic behavior from those morons in the first place. I have played this game for a very long time, I can agree that sometimes, you can tell that the game is a lost cause early on. But most people are too stupid to tell the difference and they will bring you down with their defeatist attitudes until the game is either forfeit or lost.
This shit just happened to me yesterday, a completely winnable game (we had massive scaling and a great team fight) yet the team gave up before we could even try grouping as 5 for a fuckin team fight. It has gotten ridiculous.
Bad teammates already have too much control over the out come of the game, I don't want to leave a system like an early ff system completely in their incompetent hands.
It's tough enough to grind this season as it is.
AjenLarod1 votesSadly, wasting 30-40 minutes always being on the defensive, always losing teamfights, and always trying not to feed them more than they already are, just so that in the end, they win the teamfight and push to victory. I guess some people have fun on a one sided battle, but I bet most of us are in for a fun even match, no need to delay something all 10 players know will happen. And if your team wants to forfeit, why force them to play something they dislike? Why force yourself to play with toxic teammates? Just forfeit, wait 2 minutes or whatever, and go play another match hoping your team will be the one stomping again. and it's not 40/40/20, more like 49/49/2
Leverette2 votes
- and it's not 40/40/20, more like 49/49/2
- always playing on the defensive, becuase 2 or all 3 lanes lost before the 7 minute mark
- Just forfeit, wait 2 minutes or whatever, and go play another match
So basically you're saying 98% of games should end before the 7 minute mark, yet somehow you still think you'd only be waiting 2 minutes to get to play a full game?
AjenLarod1 votesOh, no, games shouldn't end by the 7 minute mark, they should end by the 35 or so, but that's the problem, 98% of the matches are over by the 7 minute mark, the 28 left, are just a waste of time where the team that gain the advantage in the first 7 minutes, win anyway. It was like watching Brazil losing 7-1, by half time, the WHOLE WORLD knew they lost already when they were losing by 4-0, more than 45 minutes wasted and the result was still the same, Germany won. But unlike football, where you can't forfeit the match, since the players are paid to play, we aren't, we shouldn't waste time on a lost, snowballed match, we should forfeit, fast, and go play another match, hoping it's a more even, fun one. Stop forcing players to play with you. Stop forcing yourself to play with players you despise.
Leverette2 votesOh, no, games shouldn't end by the 7 minute mark, they should end by the 35 or so, but that's the problem, 98% of the matches are over by the 7 minute mark, the 28 left, are just a waste of time where the team that gain the advantage in the first 7 minutes, win anyway. It was like watching Brazil losing 7-1, by half time, the WHOLE WORLD knew they lost already when they were losing by 4-0, more than 45 minutes wasted and the result was still the same, Germany won. But unlike football, where you can't forfeit the match, since the players are paid to play, we aren't, we shouldn't waste time on a lost, snowballed match, we should forfeit, fast, and go play another match, hoping it's a more even, fun one. Stop forcing players to play with you. Stop forcing yourself to play with players you despise.
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. It's those people who signed themselves up for a 30m game and it's those people who should be aware of the the terms of the agreement they actively chose. But if those people are under the impression that 98% of games shouldn't be played and they despise everyone they play with/against, the problem isn't on my end, the problem is the people who play the game even though they clearly have no reason to. If the game is just in a crap state right now and you can't approve of it, why take that out on other people by ruining their fun? If you sign up to play, then play. Otherwise, no one's making you play.
AjenLarod1 votesWell, if you are not forfeiting, even when they clearly don't want you as a teammate, and won't have fun playing with you, and they are, and I quote, "It's almost every game I play someone's berating and harassing me to surrender". So clearly they are taking the fun from you too, why force them and yourself to play with people who don't enjoy that match? This is why I say, JUST FORFEIT AND MOVE ON. And stop making games be over in 7 minutes and waste 28 more. Make the game, not a snowball by not sucking, and have fun with the game.
Leverette2 votesWell, if you are not forfeiting, even when they clearly don't want you as a teammate, and won't have fun playing with you, and they are, and I quote, "It's almost every game I play someone's berating and harassing me to surrender". So clearly they are taking the fun from you too, why force them and yourself to play with people who don't enjoy that match? This is why I say, JUST FORFEIT AND MOVE ON. And stop making games be over in 7 minutes and waste 28 more. Make the game, not a snowball by not sucking, and have fun with the game.
Here's the thing: It's not ruining my fun. I'm still able to find lots of benefit in sticking it out. You keep assuming I think the way you do, but that is your fundamental flaw. You keep thinking "Oh well if the situation ever becomes similar to xyz and he feels the same way I do, THEN he'll agree with me!" But you're not accounting for the fact that I am not you and your response to a situation is not the only proper response that a human is capable of having.
In fact, the only thing that is ruining my fun is that I have to sit through a 10 minute waiting process to get into a game that lasts less long. I'm not saying that if every lane was crushed hard by hypercarries then I'm going to adamantly refuse to give up. No, I understand when it's time to quit. The problem is most people don't and I sincerely get a surrender vote thrown at me just about every single game even if we're doing great. It's not me who's being crazy, it's these defeatist ad carries who think even though the other lanes are both 3 kills up on their side, they're 20cs behind so the game is automatically over and now everyone should drop their great leads and walk away because "Boohoo I'm personally not hypercarrying from the 15 minute mark"
Edit: To clarify, this surrender abusing happens like 97/100 games, regardless of the situation, and harassment is going to follow over half of the time. Whereas people intentionally ruining the game and no one having fun is a much, much more rare situation and is also a bannable offense. Besides if it was just that one prick then the vote would still succeed so I don't know why you people keep insisting "everyone" wants to leave.
AjenLarod1 votes"You keep assuming I think the way you do, but that is your fundamental flaw." Pretty ironic, as you are trying to do the same to me. "So basically you're saying 98% of games should end before the 7 minute mark" When I never said it, so you are trying to bend my words to your liking. Ironic. Anyway.
So you sit through 10 minutes of waiting, what, is this game dead already?
And no, sadly, not everyone wants to leave, there's always one or two toxic players, who hold hostage everyone.
Ch1efBeefQueef1 votesJesus Christ man, whats wrong with you?? lol. Saying no to a surrender vote doesn't make you toxic. God i'm glad the world isn't full of people with your attitude, we would still be in the fuckin dark ages.
AjenLarod1 votesSaying no, whem my team is winning by 20 kills or more, and by 5 towers or more, with every dragon before minute 20. If the opponent that's voting no, isn't trolling his team, isn't toxic, then what is he? I'm happy I had my free win, but i'm not happy by wasting my time on a snowballed game, not worth my time on a wasted match.
Ch1efBeefQueef1 votesYour post is asking for a surrender vote at the 10 minute mark, I can assure you that you have never been that far behind in 10 minutes and never will be. It's not realistic for a team to take 5 turrets and get 20 kills ahead of the other by the 10 minute mark. Not unless everyone on the team is inting, or trolling.
Complaining about a select few people who say no when there is no point in saying no is redundant and there are bigger issues in this game than that.
It would make more sense for me to complain about players who watch a youtube video of some champ, and then decide to pick it up and play it in ranked instantly and feed their asses off. But that to is a non issue compared to the more important and pressing issues.
If you are too impatient to see a 30+ minute game through, go play arams or 3v3s, or quit league. It isn't our problem.
AjenLarod1 votesMan, you legit sound like you have never won or lost a match before the 10 minute mark, that gives me hope that there is actual gameplay on high elo ranks.
I dont play arams because that's like playing 1-on-1 on basketball, it's not the real deal, also, as you can see, my luck is like cursed or something, I would never be able to use the fun heroes. Only shit ones.
But as I said, you are forcing players, and forcing yourself, to play something you all dislike, so why do it? Is it that you are toxic and try to punish them for surrendering?
AjenLarod1 votesWell no answer, so I guess you are toxic. Nice bait, I fell for it hard.
Ch1efBeefQueef1 votesThere is no such thing as a fun even match in league. And the few rare times you get close to one, cherish it. This game has the worst game play balance out of all the competitive games I've played.
AjenLarod1 votesOh great, so this is worse than dota, hon, smite. I guess diamond will be better? If so, then it will give me hope, but I doubt it, games on bronze and diamonds are basically the same, just diamonds know how to last hit better. Well, I guess I've been wasting my time, finding a good competitive game.
Ch1efBeefQueef1 votesThe difference has never been the balance between elos??
The difference is competence and smart gameplay. Something you can find a lack of in bronze all the way up to diamond.
AjenLarod1 votesSo if you know that there is not competence and smart gameplay, you hate your team, and your team hates you, why force the game longer? That's what I will never understand, why force yourself to play with people who dislike you?
Leverette7 votesYou people say "You're wasting my time, quit holding me hostage!" but you know, I hate that term. "Hostage." You make it sound like you're such a victim. I'll have you know that if you had it your way, some team would almost always surrender every time first blood occurred, a jungle invade happened, or god forbid a double kill bot lane went down. It would literally be uncommon for games to even hit the point where anyone gets their ultimate.
You would have to spend hours going through queues, champion select, the first 5 minutes of the game, and PRAYING that neither team surrenders when an inevitable lead manifests. Your entire philosophy revolves around the notion that the game should always end as soon as anything happens because you people are obsessed with surrendering, sometimes even when your team is ahead!
So maybe you should stop seeing yourself as some victimized "hostage" when you willingly signed yourself up for a 30m game and just play the damn thing. Overwatch and Call of Duty are much faster games, perhaps try those instead if length is an issue for you.
...man, sorry to be so rude but JEEZ! It's almost every game I play someone's berating and harassing me to surrender, completely failing to understand it's people like me that lets them play the game at all. You can't play without players... you're welcome for actually being one.
AjenLarod3 votes30 minutes of a match, sure, that is fun, 30 minutes of your team being behind 20-30 kills, always playing on the defensive, becuase 2 or all 3 lanes lost before the 7 minute mark, not being able to win a single team fight, always losing dragon and baron, and getting pushed tower by tower. And in the end, you lose, just like every other of the 9 players knew it would happen. Why force yourself to play with those harrasers? Why force them to play with you if you know they don't like you? Just forfeit, queue again, and hope you are the one stomping next time.
KlydeFrog3 votesI dont think ive ever been that many kills behind also kills dont win games i didnt know league was team deathmatch
Pika Fox2 votesIt should be removed if anything. You queued up. You play the damn game.
AjenLarod3 votesEven if your teammates are throwing intentionally to their tower, Refusing to help, insulting and flaming? Even if your opponents are so incompetent, you can basically towerdive their third tower on level 5 and come out alive, they sold all their items, and they flame their own teammates? Even if you are winning 20 kills to 2 at 7 minutes in? And you have to waste 8 or more minutes to either, wait for 15 minutes so your opponents can forfeit, or you beat them to the base? Do you have fun playing those games? I don't, I like even games, where strategy and tactics is decided, not when a zed gets 3 kills on the first 4 minutes of the game, and then he just goes rampaging everyone. So why not forfeit the matches when your Yasuo is 0/5, your jungle 0/4 and your bot 0/4 0/5, and you are struggling 2/1, queue up, new match, and next match, maybe you get a match where at 10 minutes, everyone is like 3/3 and team kills are 15x16? Isn't that more fun? Well, not for you, you like stomps and games ending in 7 minutes.
Pika Fox2 votesSucks to be you. You queued up, you play, or you dont queue up at all. The only acceptable excuses are the rare irl emergency or power/internet outage. If you cant be bothered to play the game, then dont be bothered to queue up. You arent special or the only one who has to deal with trolls, but if you decide to throw a fit and leave/afk, all you are is one of the trolls.
AjenLarod2 votesSo I have to face the punishments and waste my time because of trolls, how about, they are punished by it, how about punish my troll opponents, since they still ruin my matches by making me win in 7 minutes, and waste 28 more, and 35 of his teammates.
Pika Fox3 votesYes, you do. Deal with it or face the consequences. The trolls will get theirs, if they really are trolls. But if you afk, you WILL get yours, and you WILL deserve it. Play or dont queue. You dont have another option.
AjenLarod2 votesI wont afk, because I will get punished, while the people that hold hostage everyone just go free. I want to play, but not a match that is over in 4 minutes, like 98% of all matches. I rather forfeit, and go play another match, that might be fun, than being held hostage by trolls like you.
Pika Fox2 votesYoure not being held hostage. You queued up for a game. You consented to the game. Youre not a hostage. Play or stop queuing.
AjenLarod1 votesThat's true, I consented to the game, not to a wate of time when I got 1 leaver, and my whole team is being rolled on, and there's always one of your kind, wasting 8 people's time, sometimes 9. Yeah, we're being held hostage on unwinnable games.
Pika Fox2 votesThen dont queue. Youre not a hostage. The fact that you even think its an applicable term shows how screwed up your mindset is on it.
AjenLarod1 votesYou're right, my mindset is based on not wasting my time or other people's mind, if someone doesn't want to play anymore for whatever reason, even if it's a winnable game, I won't hold him hostage, because I'm not a dick, not a toxic player. I don't like him for surrendering early, so I won't force myself playing with a shitstain, and he doesn't want to play with me, so I won't hold him hostage to do something he dislikes. You're right, Empathy is a screwed mindset these days.
Pika Fox2 votesPlease, someone voting no on a surrender vote isnt toxic or holding you hostage. Youre the one who is acting toxic by claiming youre being held hostage and AFKing. Seriously, its always the most toxic people who claim theyre just fine and everyone else is the issue.
AjenLarod1 votesI can understand people going afk, they dont like their team, and their team doesnt like them, so yeah, it is toxic, forcing people into things they dont have fun.... something similar happened long ago, how was it called? Forcing people unto unpleasant experiences? Slavery? naaa, only toxic people force others to do what they like, instead of just, you know, being the better person, and stop wasting everyone's time.
Again, you haven't answer the question. Why force someone who doesnt like you and you dont like, to play with you?
Pika Fox2 votesYou cant honestly compare playing a god damn videogame you queued up for to slavery.
And you have no right to demand people forfeit a game they chose to play, wanted to play, because youre having a hissy fit temper tantrum.
So again, either play the game, or take your ban when it inevitably gets hammered down on you for repeatedly leaving/afking. Then you can make your one QQ post in player and behavior and get laughed at and downvotted into oblivion.
AjenLarod1 votesPretty sure people like even matches, not snowballs, well they do but when they are snowballing, and even then, waiting for the other team to surrender, it's a waste of time. And I guess you wont answer the question, maybe it is because you are toxic. Why force other people to play a match they clearly don't want to take part anymore. Only reason I can see from you, toxic.
Pika Fox1 votesNo one cares what you want. You queued up for a game, you play the damn game.
And no one is "forcing" you to do jack shit. You queued for the game. Dont like it? Play a different game.
Pika Fox1 votesIf you think people are holding you hostage by not surrenderring, you should probably go find a single player game. Multiplayer isnt for you.
Sukishoo1 votesNot gonna be trapped in a game where people are awful.
RookPusher2 votesThis attitude is why the game is trash. Being able to deal with setbacks is part of the skill of this game. You're actively asking for that to be removed.
AjenLarod2 votesSet backs are not wasting time, when your team is stomping the opponents hard, 20 kills and 6 towers, for example, how are they going to comeback from that set back? Why waste time of 9 people, just because of your stupid silly principle of, "HURR NEVER SURRENDER, I'M SUCH A SPARTAN!" That's toxic, and even so, when your team wants to forfeit, they clearly don't want to play with you, or anymore, so why force them to play with you? And why force yourself to play with people who you know clearly they don't like you? What's the point of forcing that?
Malix Farwin2 votesDon't see how making it 10m will make a difference since people don't like to ff at 15.
SwiftKitten881 votesor we could u know just make scuttle crab the nexus.
because whoever gets it first wins the game now anyways..
AjenLarod2 votesSeeing all the comments on it, it seems like it is like that. Whoever gets it, will snowball and win the game. Wait, are you saying you actually play matches that are not snowballed? Is that even possible, like dota? How? You gotta invite me to your group, I want to play those matches, I'm so tired of winning and losing by snowballs, and 0 tactical thinking as a team.