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What is the secret to not get bad trolling players?

AjenLarod··2 votes·4,109 views

It's really tiresome, not being able to enjoy a fun even match. Every time, it's a stomp from my part, or a stomp from their part.

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MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

The 'secret' is not being in bronze or blinds. Trash sinks to the bottom.

AjenLarod1 votes

Well, I have seen diamonds and masters dealing with toxic, "shit" teammates/opponents, but I guess you are right, until I manage to rank up to level 30 and buy the 100 hero requirement, I'll start ranking up, and might take a while, until I see a fun good match, where strategy and tactics are applied, and not just, HUR IM VAYNE/YI/JAX/DARIUS, I STOMP!

fatherdarius1 votes

Deepak Chopra says the 'secret' is playing with a pre-made group of 5.

AjenLarod2 votes

mmm, a bit hard getting a premade since I'm new, and barely know anyone on the game, mostly smurfs who play a bit and never log in again, and my friends won't play league, since they are playing more competitive mobas, so yeah, I'm a bit alone on this game.

Lost R2 votes

He speaks nothing but lies. All the people forcing themselves into my lobby without my consent are all so zonked out on drugs it took one guy over 30 minutes to realize we weren't even in a game.

fatherdarius1 votes

Okay, LOL that's just sad.

Kei1431 votes

Not think of them as trolls.

AjenLarod1 votes

Sadly, they are, they either flame me, my teammates or my opponents, feed on purpose, or go afk. Maybe being profesional and playing/trainning this game for 16 hours a day, is the only way to enjoy it without trolls.

Kei1431 votes

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Sadly, they are, they either flame me,

Thats a toxic guy, not a troll.

feed on purpose

That's a feeder, they could be just bad, but not a troll.

or go afk.

Uhh... I don't think afking falls under the realm of trolling...

I guess your definition of a troll is just so broad that when ever you need to find someone to blame, they are a troll.

AjenLarod1 votes

SEMANTICS!!! But still, is it too much to ask for a fun, even match, where a tactical outplay or a critical mistake can tip the balanced match on one team's favor? Or is LoL just a stomp fest, even more noticable than dota, hon, smite?

Kei1431 votes

Ummm... you are still in the early levels of the game. That current level is a pocket of toxicity and smurfs.

Once you finish playing around 25 games of ranked it will get much better.

AjenLarod1 votes

I hope so, but cmon, out of 100 matches, only 5 have been even and decided by tactical desicions. all other have been stomps. Around, 5% of the matches, maybe less?

Kei1431 votes

endure it.

things will get much better once you play ranked games.

AjenLarod1 votes

I really really reaaaally really reaaaaaaally hope so, but leveling up to 30 takes like 400 games, and like 500 more to get the minimun 30 heroes to play ranked

Kei1431 votes

You don't have to buy all the champs you want. Get the cheapest 20 champs and then 10 you would use.

In fact You can probably live with 5 champs you can use, unless the champs you use are yasuo, zed, fizz, darius, blitz and yi, then expect to be banned out nearly every game.

AjenLarod1 votes

I mean, I only have 3 bought, and level 24 because I have no escence to buy the fun, broken ones.

Kei1431 votes

You got ashe, garen and brand already.

I suggest you convert the cheap champ shards like ryze, kayle And a few more.

Nothing really is broken as the META can shift and put those broken champs out of the META.

If you are going to be playing ranked, you aren't going to be playing 20 champs. Even if you were autofilled, play something you are familiar with rather than something designed for that role but you don't know how to play it.

AjenLarod1 votes

I don't have Ashe, garen nor brand.

Not a single cheap shard, I only have Morgana.

META doesn't matter unless you are a pro gamer.

Well no, I will not play all 100 heroes, I only play those who I enjoy playing. Sadly, I need 20 or so to just play ranked, and at the rate the essence is gained, this will be a looong time.

Kei1431 votes

how do you not have ashe, garen and brand?

Riot gives those to you at your early levels.

AjenLarod1 votes

Oh yeah, this accout, was created in 2014 or so. And was left at level 14 or so. So maybe that has something to do with it? Can I ask riot to unlock them for me?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Leadership & communication skills. If this intrigues you then let me know I can explain it in more depth.

AjenLarod1 votes

Oh I know, I used to do that on csgo, and hon. When I was a more... dedicated player. But this game, seems that once someone is fed up, or the other side decides to troll, no way to catch back up, and it's just a steam roll. Maybe it is a different way. Sure, I'm all ears.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Well the problem is that league is a very snowbally game. It's a slippery slope downhill once someone gets tilted, fed up, or decides to troll - as you've pointed out.

So with league it has to be all preemptive. Start the game off on the right foot, be cheerful or at least kind in chat, and show people that you've got their back even if things go wrong. If they see you as an ally from the very beginning it's going to be a lot less likely for them to decide to ruin the game for you out of spite.

It's much easier to maintain morale than it is to re-build morale after shit has hit the fan.

It's really useful to control conversations with verb tense. People use different tenses for different things.

  1. Past tense is always used to attribute credit or blame for what happened.
  • This means that any time you talk in the past tense, people are going to think you're trying to divvy up either credit or blame. It's subconscious and they aren't going to realize it, but that's how they will react instinctually.
  • Complimenting people for good plays, regardless of whether they contributed significantly to them.
  • Example: If jungle ganks a lane and the laner kills the enemy laner with minimal help from the jungler, you still want to compliment the jungler for being there and ganking. Because in the future you will still want them to continue ganking, so rewarding them with praise for doing so is beneficial even in that situation.
  • Also, criticizing people - while sometimes helpful - is usually not going to work. People are too defensive, and too easily offended. And it's too easy to say something meaner than intended in the heat of the moment. All of this combines to make criticizing others for their choices or play into a very high risk, low reward act. It's just not worth it.
  • So after a bad play steer the conversation away from past tense. And after a good play, be sure to use past tense and give credit to everyone involved.
  1. Present tense is used to talk about values. It can also be used to align said values, and make people feel like you are on their side.
  • People will often talk about how they feel or how broken or unfair something is. They will get distracted by this and lose focus on what they need to keep doing or what needs to be done next, so it's important to steer them away from this.
  • Don't dismiss their feelings though, because that's a big mistake if you want them to look at you as an ally (which you should, because that makes it easier to get them to listen to you when you make calls or offer advice).
  • My suggestion is to say something agreeable (just to make them feel supported) and then point out, "we can't really change that though, so lets try and figure out how to deal with it better for the rest of the game."
  1. Future tense is used to talk about choices, it's for making plans and then executing on them.
  • Future tense is where the magic happens.
  • League is am RTS at heart, there's constantly things happening and maintaining focus on what comes next as well as on what needs to be done is really important. Keeping people thinking about what comes next and about what needs to be done is a great way to keep them from getting distracted by arguing about blame or complaining about unfairness.

Putting all this into practice, you can intercept a person as they start to tilt, make them feel camaraderie with you, and then refocus them on what can be done or what needs to be done to overcome obstacles in the future. I've put this into practice across many of my matches in league, particularly over the past year and a half, and it's worked very well for me - when I actually use it at least.

AjenLarod1 votes

Damn, I did not expect that. Everything you say seems like very detailed, like psycologically. Copy paste, or did you actually know all of that on the top of your head? Anyway, I get it, seems that getting people happy, makes for a very fun match, or at least not a crappy one while you're getting steamrolled. Sadly, it doesn't help much getting steamrolled, because as I said, mostly all of my matches have been snowball'd, so I hope getting to ranked, would make it more tactical, like HoN or DotA, and less steamroll

HalcyonDweller1 votes

It's a topic I've discussed at length numerous times. The copy paste version is longer, but it was less updated and less useful so I wrote the info out fresh here. It's mostly based on rhetoric and logic, it happens to correlate to psychology but what I learned about the verb tenses I actually learned from "Thank you for Arguing," by Jay Heinrich.

I agree, with the way the game is balanced / how matchmaking chooses opponents / other factors... It's just super snowbally right now which leads to more people getting frustrated. There's only so much we can do to keep our teammates from tilting, and some of them will simply be beyond help. The strategies I've discussed here do still work, but like you've said with things being this snowbally it's a lot harder.

KazaJhodo1 votes

Nothing you can do man. This has been getting really worse lately.

Games are more snowbally because dmg is so high, so its to be expected.

My issue with the game currently is exactly what you are talking about. The games are legit terrible. The games are trolly, but what people don't understand is that they aren't trolling on purpose most of the time. They just don't belong in the elo. Promos put them too high, bought an account, got boosted with friends or something- lucky.

The games just aren't balanced well, period. There are a ton of reasons why, even things like lp degregation not taking place- but there is nothing we can do about it. Eventually we'll just stop playing the game because it simply isn't fun to play dice roll games.

AjenLarod1 votes

Yeah, I get it. The biggest roll you do, is at the start of the match, hoping you get the best 4 people out of 9. Sadly, I could wish that showing a bit of leadership or skill in this game, could influence more the way the game is going like in csgo, or even dota. But if one teammate is trolling, on purpose, or by inexperience, the other team just feeds up on him, and no matter how good you are, this game wont allow good players win over feed. Let alone, teammates that don't cooperate. Same being on the other side, you can abuse their troll, and have easy 15 minute games.

AJStarhiker1 votes

Don't be a troll yourself. If you treat other people with respect (or at least leave them alone when they make mistakes), you won't see as much retaliatory trolling.

Acknowledge good plays from your teammates.

Sometimes, you'll just get that player who wants to watch the world burn and take as many people down with them. When I get one of those, I mute them, play through the game as best I can, and tell myself it's community service to report that person.

AjenLarod1 votes

I mean, I like when those players who want to watch the world burn, are on the opposite side, but the problem still stands, it's a steamroll, with no sway for a comeback, no way for a tactical play, or a strategy to win. Just feed up, and win. And out of more than 100 matches, like 5 have been won or lost through tactics. All others have been won or lost to trolls.

Pika Fox1 votes

All you can do is be positive yourself. Some people are just going to tilt and troll, nothing you can really do about it. All you can do is not add to the flames or not set them off yourself.

AjenLarod1 votes

I guess, but sometimes that doesnt help when my team is the one stomping, sure it's better than getting stomped, but it's still a stomp.

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