Riot please tell me how this fight does equal a broken game?

The West Wing·Jan 2, 2016·2 votes·903 views

So I was a aw Wukong vs Darius top. A hard counter yes but every lane can be won if you have more skill right? Wrong. I was level 7 he was level 6 both near full health. Neither of us had kills or assists. He misses his q so I go in to activate thunderlords. He starts to get a good amount of stacks on me so he prepares to ult, I decoy causing him to use his ult on my decoy. I go back in for a another combo and I ult and ignite. He qs and basic attacks me to death. Skill based game? I think not.

28 Comments

colesyJan 2, 20165 votes

so you decoy and then go back in to trade with a five stack darius who has a bleeding dot on you and a massive ad steroid

jokes on you pal

The West WingJan 2, 20161 votes

So you can't ever win lane then? No matter how many abilities he misses? He can just basic attack.

colesyJan 2, 20162 votes

the whole point of darius is that he has high sustained damage. so you need to make short, bursty trades in order to kill him. how hard was that to figure out?

QuephaJan 2, 20161 votes

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so you decoy and then go back in to trade with a five stack darius who has a bleeding dot on you and a massive ad steroid

jokes on you pal

He decoy'd to make Dar-dar whiff his ult. Two melee bruiser champs, one with ult and one without, the one with the ult should destroy the other.

BeldairJan 2, 20162 votes

And that is where you are mistaken. It isn't 2 bruiser champs, it's 1 bruiser champ against 1 juggernaut. Darius is more tanky with high damage. Wukong is mildly tank with high damage. Plus Darius has his lovely passive. While the Darius did miss his q and ult while wukong was able to go in, he underestimated the Darius which resulted in that outcome.

colesyJan 2, 20161 votes

oh if only league was that simple. but it isn't, so I'd recommend a healthy dose of l2p.

TroiannJan 2, 20163 votes

This game is a skill based game because you have to know the match up. Darius misses Q, then you E in proc thunderlords and run back while he does no damage. Continue until he is low enough to all in with your ult.

You obviously do not know the match up at all. Being knowledgeable in different kinds of match ups is extremely important. And you displayed a gross lack of knowledge of the wukong vs darius match up.

The West WingJan 2, 20161 votes

That was the strategy I was going with but after he missed his ult I assumed I would be good and I should have been if Darius was balanced.

TroiannJan 2, 20161 votes

Because darius has no mobility, his dueling potential is unmatched in melee range. That's how he's balanced.

CrossetteJan 2, 20161 votes

unmatched in melee range

So you're saying that if you pick another melee champion you literally can't fight him ever? Cool. Real balanced champion.

TroiannJan 2, 20161 votes

Yes. That's how he is intended.

Notice how his kit offers very little CC and no mobility.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 2, 20161 votes

he can't fight you ever either unless you walk into him

Zen FuryJan 2, 20161 votes

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That was the strategy I was going with but after he missed his ult I assumed I would be good and I should have been if Darius was balanced.

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. You also didn't mention builds and positioning, which is also important. Regardless, you made a clear strategic error in assuming that just because you made him miss his ult, that you can just waltz in for a free kill.

Robbit MangJan 2, 20162 votes

Well, NOBODY can beat a 5 stack Darius that early in an auto attack duel (after you used ult and E and Q etc and he misses his abilities) . At that point, Darius can W someone for half their health, and if he has crit sayonara you're fucking dead instantly

AlakalzamJan 2, 20162 votes

Your skill level wasn't equal. That Darius appears to be a better player than you in general. He also seems to have outfarmed in that specific game by quite a significant amount....almost 50 creeps by the time your team surrendered at 23 minutes.

Your mistake was failing to appreciate how much damage you would dish out versus how much he would deal to you. You shouldn't have re-initiated. Experience should hopefully help with that. :)

SachabotJan 2, 20162 votes

Darius has the ability to hard number check, Wukong has the outplay/mobility. You played the front half right, but then went back in and played his game. Don't sit and trade autos with Darius.

On the other side, I think it's awesome you're playing Wu. Don't let this get to you too much.

ModWulf HelhammerJan 2, 20161 votes

Yes any counter can be beaten by skill, but only if you outskill the player. If both players are at equal skill level, more often then not, the counter pick is going to win

The West WingJan 2, 20161 votes

But but he missed his crucial abilities, because I outplayed him. Wouldn't that mean I have more skill?

ModWulf HelhammerJan 2, 20162 votes

Not necessarily. It just means he made a mistake, but was able to recover from it (you said yourself he hit the second one, which is probably why he won)

The West WingJan 2, 20161 votes

I just don't think a champion with no kills should be able to miss an ult then win the fight anyway after I hit everything. I understand counters but that just means I have to sit at my turret.

XhidolJan 2, 20162 votes

The only think I could think of is that while he may have missed abilities, he was able to read you quite well.

QuephaJan 2, 20161 votes

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Yes any counter can be beaten by skill, but only if you outskill the player. If both players are at equal skill level, more often then not, the counter pick is going to win

In the situation described, obviously the Wukong has much more skill than the Darius, making him whiff his ult solidifies that fact.

The HeraIdJan 2, 20162 votes

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In the situation described, obviously the Wukong has much more skill than the Darius, making him whiff his ult solidifies that fact.

Not necessarily, if a dary starts up hi sult on the non-clone an dwu clones, the ult will channel onto the clone regardless.

CrossetteJan 2, 20161 votes

Jax

insaiyanbaccaJan 2, 20161 votes

dude what did you expect, darius is balanced because he has no mobility which he trades for extremely strong melee dueling and burst.

KnightOfEloHellJan 2, 20161 votes

Super easy way to faceroll Darius:

Pick Olaf. Start Dorans Blade.

Build LS AD items to outsustain him Build health items like DMP. Up e true damage early. Any armor he builds against you is powerless.

Poke and all in when he is low.

Stay too close for too long, you'll bleed.

Bewate lack of mana pots; Olafs q eats mana.

Post 6, if thou art pulled by Darius, just ult, press w, bring the thunder and shove an axe up his ass till he dies.

Darius defeated easily xD

SaltyKrackaJan 2, 20161 votes

You let a Darius get 5 stacks on you, then sat in auto range.

Bad plays OP.

BluePolarizerJan 2, 20161 votes

Darius has one of the highest sustained damage in the game when he has 5 stacks up. You fought him with 5 stacks. It doesn't matter what he misses. You were outplayed due to your lack of knowledge.