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Calling that starting tomorrow Olaf will be a god tier pick because of the Warlords rework.

The West Wing··39 votes·3,123 views

[REWORK] Effect changed to: "Gain increasingly more Life Steal based on your missing health against champions (up to 20%). Against minions gain 50% benefit"

Olaf already thrives on low health fights early game this will be insane on him.

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Quepha9 votes

I think grasp of the undying and the resolve tree will still be a better choice for Olaf. This might be kinda goofy if you get to the threshold where Olaf just has too much attack speed and lifesteal at low health to take down which would let him solo dragon or baron, but I think he still benefits more from tank masteries while more damage focused champions like Yi will be more interested in the free lifesteal.

Jacknife2 votes

Well he really doesn't have any incentive to buy tank items, other than to simply "live longer". As he is now his whole point is to dive the back of the enemy team and D.A.B (Delete A Bitch). Grasp of the Undying scales off health sure, but with no real scaling off of health in Olaf's kit (and actual scaling off of LS and healing) Warlords could actually be the better mastery for him.

Quepha5 votes

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Well he really doesn't have any incentive to buy tank items, other than to simply "live longer". As he is now his whole point is to dive the back of the enemy team and D.A.B (Delete A Bitch). Grasp of the Undying scales off health sure, but with no real scaling off of health in Olaf's kit (and actual scaling off of LS and healing) Warlords could actually be the better mastery for him.

Getting the tanky talents in resolve allow him to build a little more damage than normal and still survive. Olaf needs a balance of stats and the talents in resolve I believe give him a better package of total stats. Olaf's E also scales indirectly with health as more health allows him to use it more often without fear of dropping too low plus he can build Titanic Hydra into Warmog's to more directly scale with health as well as get the regen he needs to go into a fight and blast people away with true damage without worry.

Auz the Ripper1 votes

However olaf gets 74% lifesteal with just warlords, his W, and spirit visage at low health

Add in BotRK and runic armor and it goes up to 99%.

That's nothing to be scoffed at.

Quepha1 votes

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However olaf gets 74% lifesteal with just warlords, his W, and spirit visage at low health

Add in BotRK and runic armor and it goes up to 99%.

That's nothing to be scoffed at.

But if you're building to have a ton of lifesteal, the bonus from warlord's just seems like a drop in the bucket at that point. Even if you're going down ferocity, why wouldn't you instead grab fervor to have an extra 100 damage per auto that your W, bork, and SV are applying to?

Auz the Ripper1 votes

If my math is right, you need 60 more physical damage to brake even with the healing from fervor's damage

But warlord's works (somewhat) on minions whereas fervor does not, Giving some more nice lane sustain

Quepha1 votes

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If my math is right, you need 60 more physical damage to brake even with the healing from fervor's damage

Yeah, to break even with the healing, but how much more damage do you have to build with warlord's to break even with the damage from Fervor? The best defense is killing the opponent so they stop hitting you.

Auz the Ripper1 votes

You have build an amount of damage equal to the damage gotten from Fervor

That math is not particularly hard

Baron of Bread2 votes

Of course, to actually DAB he needs to get to them. In a teamfight he needs quite a bit of defense to be able to pull that off.

La Barbotte5 votes

meanwhile reading patch 6.4

Olaf Tryndamere Aatrox XinZhao Warwick MOUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH...... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Spicy Rice1 votes

I'm sharpening my sword Yasuo

Gesterr7 votes

Old Warlord's was waaaaaay better for Yasuo, he didn't have to almost die and could get huge healing for free on every hit.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Yeah, i just tried new warlords, It can be good. If you are in a heavy poke match up as yasuo, it really helps. Otherwise, fervor still better

La Barbotte1 votes

item 3143 bring it sugar

Ralanr4 votes

Still debating this or fervor on him.

Melledoneus3 votes

Aatrox is coming back, baby!

Zorasama18 votes

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Aatrox is coming back, baby!

I bet he still sucks.

Melledoneus2 votes

Right. Gotta keep quiet about the sleeper picks...

Narasimha12 votes

Aatrox is sleeping so hard, he's practically dead.

Melledoneus1 votes

Heh. Then you haven't played him like I have... hue hue hue...

Also, he has a revive passive, so he's coming back after death.

La Barbotte1 votes

and then you buy GA, and you have zilean and yorik RAID BOSS AATROX MOUHAHAHA

Melledoneus1 votes

Seems like you've had this planned out for a while.

La Barbotte1 votes

well Aatrox is my most played i tried it XD haha

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

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I bet he still sucks.

Until LCS picks him, and everyone suddenly had a change of heart about him.

Arkatra1 votes

Leave me alone with LCS and their Rumble jungle! Oh boy, i'll pick kindred on Rumble every single time and invade till they become 0/5 (like that Rumble yesterday). LCS fanbois, m8.

The Deckowner1 votes

sustain is never his problem, he just dont do enough dmg.

charcharmunro2 votes

Olaf with new Warlord's + item 3065 + item 3053 + item 3156 + item 3812 + item 3074... Enjoy.

SH Azykan2 votes

item 3812 -OR- item 3074 ; item 3046 item 3065 item 3110 item 3512 item 3009 Lifesteal is more effective with higher resists rather than higher max hp so stacking resists/damage reduction effects op. Olaf loved Hp for Grasp but now it is slightly less important as long as you can get in range to attack. (Of course a lot of people going to keep using grasp for the tenacity mastery and slightly better trading very early game) PD gives him damage reduction from his target, huge Ms boost in melee range, and a ton of AS, on top of some crits. It will probably compete with Maw and completely outshine it against low AP teams. this build also has 40% cdr for E spam and more use from your W and Zz'rot will be back >:D

Anags1 votes

You do realize zz'rot damage scales with health. So it is significantly better on a health stacking champ such as voli or sion. It might be okay with that build but you would probably be better off building something else.

SH Azykan1 votes

It is the most effective resistance item in game, and the active is still helpful even without much health. It isn't taking towers for you, but it can keep a lane pushed in your favor for sure. On top of more movespeed near towers (dead or alive).

Might replace with GA, but after GA is on cd zz'rot far outshines it

WadeWilson13372 votes

Olaf is kinda bad right now, so im not too worried tbh.

Space Bum2 votes

There will be a rise in champions with executes. Can't tell you how shitty it is to play as Olaf when you want to be at low health but you are fighting a Darius or Chogath

Jhin UItd JFK1 votes

"we changed warlords to be less niche"-rito

this warlords will only be used by like 5 champs

Arsenic Sulfur1 votes

Still better than the only 3 who could use it efficiently.

Yasuo Tryndamere Jhin

Melledoneus1 votes

Edit: I hope they're completely changing it instead of adding another passive to it.

AVL Prince2 votes

He's referring to the old warlords, which was the best choice for jhin because the auto crit on every final shot lead to a pretty decent healing modifier in addition to a flat AD boost for the next shot.

Melledoneus1 votes

Whoops. Just read it again and realized I goofed up. Better change my statement.

Auz the Ripper1 votes

I've always preferred stormraider's on jhin.

One or two shots on anything not pure tank will almost always proc it and when combined will his passive MS on crits, you can outrun deities.

Add in Phantom Dancer and it's damn hard for assassins and divers to touch you.

dangopee1 votes

I still think this will be really strong on Nasus

Baron of Bread2 votes

Why would Nasus be going for it? He has just as good if not better options in the other trees and they have masteries below the keystones that also benefit him. The lifesteal isn't going to be so great that I want it over cdr or tenacity/slow resist, as well as Grasp or Stormraider's/Thunderlord's.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

It does sound plausible. Up to 20% bonus ups his lifesteal from 10/15/20% to 12/18/24%. Which could stack even higher with Spirit Visage and Runic Armor if you go 18/0/12.

But in practice, most of the time Nasus isn't going to be at 1 HP hitting champions. He's gonna be half-health hitting minions. A half-health Nasus hitting a minion with Warlord's would only up his healing from 10/15/20% to 10.5/15.75/21%. Even with Runic Armor, this bonus is nothing. It's a fraction of a Doran's Blade.

Although come to think of it, 18/0/12 Warlord's + Runic Armor Nasus with a Doran's Blade start...Stacking all of these lifesteal bonuses together might make for an immovable Nasus. We'll have to wait and see.

dangopee3 votes

It's not a 20% lifesteal multiplier. It is literally +20% lifesteal as in Susan will have 40% lifesteal when he is 20% hp or less. Easily over 50% lifesteal with vamparism mastery, runic armor mastery, and spirit visage.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

Oh, I may have misunderstood it then.

Are you sure? Because that sounds broken as shit.

From the wording, what I take is "up to 20% more lifesteal".

Attacks on champions gain increasingly more Lifesteal based on your missing health (up to 20%). Half effect vs minions.

Meep Man1 votes

It is 20% life steal. Halved on minions. Two Vampiric Sceptors at 20% health.

TheThundersRoar1 votes

If that's true, then the biggest culprit won't be just Olaf.

It'll be every ADC, and melee carries (Fiora, Yi, etc.).

Seriously, that much flat lifesteal is way better than Fervor.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

They have to be fairly low for that to work, but Olaf will be unkillable.

agbudar1 votes

lets not forget there is an 2 second internal cooldown on this keystone. hence you haven't seen adc go rampant with it

Quepha1 votes

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lets not forget there is an 2 second internal cooldown on this keystone. hence you haven't seen adc go rampant with it

What are you talking about? Fervor? Fervor only has a cooldown for building stacks from abilities. You can still build stacks from autos and apply damage from the stacks as fast as you can auto attack.

agbudar1 votes

warlords...? it has a 2 second cooldown before aplying again.

well it used to

Quepha1 votes

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warlords...? it has a 2 second cooldown before aplying again.

well it used to

We might as well forget what warlord's used to do, the crit keystone is gone now.

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