Would Azir be too stronk if his Soldiers could proc Nashors?

HandheldBrandon··3 votes·1,011 views

I am just curious because after just playing Around with Fervor Azir a few games i can't honestly see what would be entirely wrong with Azir being able to Utilize Nashors procs.

Please at least explain why or why not you think it would or would not be too stronk.

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1 800 MID LANE1 votes

Fervor takes time to stack. Nashor's passive does not. Along with that, they would need special code for it since they aren't supposed to proc AA on-hit effects from items anyway, so allowing Nashor's normally would allow Runnan's, BotRK, and whatever else. So not only would Nashor's passive on Azir be broken, but we'd be seeing Runnan's Azir, and that would be completely busted. The other solution would be to give it specified code, and with the atrocity that is Azir's coding, it'd just complicate things. (It's not bad anymore, but it's taken over a year to get it this good.)

HandheldBrandon1 votes

Runaans would be completely awful because his Soldiers have such a small range and i believe they are treated as Melee and take over Azirs basic attack unless he is in range instead of them.

Also if you Roll AD on Azir you give up pretty much all of his Scaling in exchange for that and his Soldiers still wouldn't do physical damage.

It would be like a super shitty version of Kog that does less than half his damage.

1 800 MID LANE1 votes

The on-hit thing would be completely busted even if Runnan's or BotRK weren't a thing with it. Those were just examples off the top of my head. Can you imagine Lichbane on Azir? Or the Guinsoo's on-hit passive? His soldiers applying on-hits would be broken in every way. He already does ridiculous AoE DPS from insane range with arguably the most safety in the game for his class. His kit is busted and doing this would only make him pick-or-ban in LCS.

And before you say anything about Riot NOT balancing around LCS; In this case, they have to. How interesting would it be to have him be somehow involved in virtually every match? He's like old Poppy in a sense. If he's not extremely weak to the majority, he's absolute freelo to a minority, and would you really want to only be able to climb if you mastered Azir? Because I'd almost bet money on the idea that everyone platinum or above would have him in their back pocket just in case he doesn't get banned.

EDIT: This isn't meant to sound as aggressive as it did. Apologies.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

I would honestly say that Xerath is the safest in his class (Long Range poke mage) where as Azir requires a bit more risk because he has to focus on re positioning not just himself but his soldiers constantly and if he is using as many soldiers as he can for offense then he sacrifices his escape and even if he does manage to have his escape anybody could just stand in front of him and his escape is entirely negated.

Also no need to apologize you said nothing wrong.

FurretHasAGlock1 votes

Yea he basically sum'd it up. We would have to classify him as SOMETHING. Ranged? Melee? No matter what the piercing and the onhit synergy is too high.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

Hes already classified as ranged and any on hit that could truly be a problem on Azir is probably already a problem on Kog.

Miraweave1 votes

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Hes already classified as ranged and any on hit that could truly be a problem on Azir is probably already a problem on Kog.

Except that he'd suddenly be able to burst people with Lich Bane.

Jasiwel1 votes

I like this prompt.

I think it would be too strong, though, due to the fact that his soldiers already deal some seriously potent numbers on the target. If they were weaker, it would force Azir to build Nashor's Tooth, which we all know being forced to build an item for damage can be kind of lame. Furthermore, it would open up the question of "Should his Soldiers proc other item passives?" and that can be extremely uneasy ground to walk on. He also scales off of Nashor's stats, so it would also become even more cost-effective on him.

I don't think Azir's issue is damage - he does some great damage already. Rather, I think his issue lies in the remaining bugs he has on top of his lack of survivability throughout the game. He requires a good chunk of mana to lane effectively, though not as bad as some others, but he's considerably squishy given the range he has to be in to deal optimal damage. He requires a decent level of skill not to be abused by his opponents too - it's easy for him to overextend with his soldiers and sometimes trying to finish off a target can be suicidal.

That said, when he did have survivability in the form of his E's old shield, he was extremely powerful and oppressive. What I think he needs, IF he needs anything (he's quite potent in professional play), is to improve his survivability/sustainability in lane to at least allow him a better chance into the midgame-lategame where he excels. Given how laning presence and power for most of his competition has improved, I think he could use the attention.

Fusarix1 votes

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I am just curious because after just playing Around with Fervor Azir a few games i can't honestly see what would be entirely wrong with Azir being able to Utilize Nashors procs.

Please at least explain why or why not you think it would or would not be too stronk.

It's already an insane item on Azir, granting him more attack speed due to the CDR passive. If his soldiers applied the extra auto attack damage aswell, that item power spike would probably be one of the strongest in the game. Not to mention you can complete the item relativley early in the game

1 800 MID LANE1 votes

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It's already an insane item on Azir, granting him more attack speed due to the CDR passive.

That's not a thing anymore.

HandheldBrandon2 votes

I was just about to say this didn't they remove the CDR/attack speed passive?

Jefftiffy1 votes

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It's already an insane item on Azir, granting him more attack speed due to the CDR passive. If his soldiers applied the extra auto attack damage aswell, that item power spike would probably be one of the strongest in the game. Not to mention you can complete the item relativley early in the game

He no longer gets AS from CDR. He lost that awhile ago.

Tengrichan1 votes

Ehh i think his issue lies in his absolutely godawful early-mid game with astronomically high manacosts and low damage output compared to mana usage. His base ms is also really bad and you can use his E once in a teamfight so it's not like he is that mobile.However something is definitely wrong with him when you are forced to build certain items in a certain order to not fall off.However since S6 avarage game lengths are shorter thus you often can not reach late game where he "shines" so you are almost guaranteed to lose against early-mid game mid laners. God forbid if you die somehow once because you can bet your ass you won't recover from it against a good opponent who is playing an easier champion. I won't even mention the bugs that are detrimental to his gameplay and his E range change/nerf which ALWAYS throws off my actions in game because i cannot E to the soldiers after a certain range even though it was longer/global at some point.AND IT HAPPENS IN EVERY GODDAMN MATCH.It's rather unintiitive that there is a range limitation on it. Also his passive did not receive any adjustment compared how fast turrets get destroyed in matches now.

So there are a whole bunch of different problems with him so giving him more damage from nashors might help to alleviate his early-mid game problem.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

IMO his E is probably one of the most awful feeling skills in the game.

Its just a dash that if it hits an enemy it literally just stops dead in its tracks. It felt alot better when it had the knockup in it but i definitely agree his early game does feel truly terrible.

Titanium701 votes

Azir being able to proc Nash, would definately a buff, but I dont think It would be completely broken.

Problem is there are alot of Items that would become a problem, starting with item 3100 That's why I'm quite happy that he's not of this stupid On-Hit abusers. item 3070 Kayle item 3070 She could be such a great Champion.... sigh....

HandheldBrandon1 votes

I don't think Lich bane would be too much of an issue.

They could also make it so if he can proc Nashors it works like reduced damage like his solders do when more than one hits an enemy.

Titanium701 votes

Get LB, and W-Q-AA will delete oppoents. In Lane he would be unmatched after getting this. Just like old Kayle, but even worse!

Additionally, the fact not being able to proc Nash allows him to use other builds as well - with Nash he would be forced to buy this thing. That's why I'm ok with that decision.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

Whats to stop Leblanc from doing the exact same thing then?

Titanium701 votes

Wtf.. completely different, kit, playstyle and class...

I dont even know where to start....

Ok Azir is poke orineted, he can use .. you know.. figure it out for your selfe... That's like asking why Kog is using Rageblade and Darius dont... it's pointless... x'D

HandheldBrandon1 votes

Leblanc early game is also poke oriented just with a bit more burst and she doesn't get her full all in till level 6.

Whats to stop Leblanc from buying a lich bane early and rofl stomping everyone like you say Azir would?

5050BS1 votes

It would break him.

He already does crap tons of damage. You want a line attack to proc a on hit?

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