Holy fuck its time to nerf damage items.
Yi did 395 damage with basic attacks. Meanwhile 2400 item damage, and 1200 true damage from wuju style.
The worst part he isn't even the worst offender to why tanks don't get to play the game. https://imgur.com/cjCBdAG
You have this asshole over here that just doesn't let you play.
When do we get to have defense again?
Tahminatrix 3 votesI assume its because he had 
and 
Also youre better off building 
and 
to tank against yi and vayne --->respectively.<---
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is seriously amazing at dealing with yi`s auto twice auto auto twice auto auto twice in 3 seconds bs.
Both combined would seriously gimp vayne`s dps due to the attack speed slow...
And since they arnt really building crit (not much damage from basic attacks)....and they are squishy (can abuse magic pen against them)....Im really sorry for even suggesting this but build 
so your and abilities will do a lot more damage..
I know you may prefer to just be as tanky as possible rather than dealing more damage but youre just healing them, pure tanks are dead.
Edit : **-> I NEVER SAID TO BUILD FROZEN HEART AGAINST YI <- ** LEARN WHAT RESPECTIVELY MEANS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anu3isII5 votesYi's R also ignores Attack Speed Slows from what I remember, which includes . Besides, he has/builds a lot of on-hit effects that deal flat damage so you would need to build hp too to survive him.
And Thornmail barely does any Damage, you would be better building 
against those 2.
WoonStruck5 votesTabi barely does anything vs yi as well. Just saying.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense because all he does is auto attack you to death, but the majority of damage he deals isn't even classified as auto attack damage for whatever reason.
Anu3isII1 votesI agree with you, I can get why True Damage isn't lowered, but I don't get why On-Hit effects aren't considered part of Auto-Attacks...
Overall, those two annihilate anything that doesn't dodge Auto-Attacks...
WoonStruck5 votesThere's effectively no counterbuilding on-hit builds. They'll melt you no matter what. The only option is to blow them up before they blow you up.
Tahminatrix 1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mG9xV56E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-02T03:39:50.484+0000)
I assume its because he had
Also youre better off building
You need to learn what the word respectively means, I never said to build frozen heart against yi, thornmail against yi, frozen heart against vayne.
And I already explained how much useless tabi was in that situation, if you cant read before you respond atleast look at the death log and see that yi only did 400 basic attack damage out of 4.5k
Most of yi`s damage was onhit, the only thing you could do was abuse thornmail to damage him back, you simply don't understand that yi does damage via an absurd amount of auto attacks per second due to his double hit passive + rageblade.
Anu3isII1 votesYou build Tabi for Armor too btw, which is at least half the damage the death recap in the OP shows. If he really rushed , then Tabi's Armor can help significantly for survivability, especially for Squishy ADCs.
And barely deals any damage. Unless you play Malph or Rammus and stack armor, the numbers are negligible. Heck, this 
exists and is very good on Yi and other on-hit users and it completely counters . Yi deals an absurd amount of Damage, absurdly high to make Thornmail look like a joke. The big thing about Thornmail is that it also offers decent defensive stats.
Tahminatrix 1 votesTabi gives 20 armor, in the grand scheme of things, 18 magic pen will do much more than 20 armor against a squishy enemy
Since when does wits end healing ignore thornmails grevious wounds?
And do you have any evidence of thornmail being weak? ive went from losing to master yi to winning after finishing it when playing against him.
Anu3isII1 votes18 Magic Pen would barely help you at all if you don't build Damage. You talk about Master Yi, a guy who would destroy anyone who doesn't burst him in one combo. If you can burst him because of 18 Magic Pen, sure, go for it.
Let's just compare them, shall we?
UNIQUE – AT WIT'S END: Basic attacks deal 15 − 80 (based on level) bonus magic damage on-hit. While below 50% health, heal for 33% of this effect's post-mitigation damage dealt, increased to 100% for Melee champions.
UNIQUE – THORNS: Upon being hit by a basic attack, reflects 25 (+ 10% bonus armor) magic damage, while also inflicting Grievous Wounds on the attacker for 3 seconds.
Considering Wit's End also gives him 50 MR, a lot more than even Sorc Boots, you would need a ton of MR to lower Wit's End Healing (which most probably wouldn't be reccomanded vs Yi) or a ton of Armor to even damage him (ignoring he also builds BotRK).
As I said, Thornmail is decent item because of its Utility and stats. It only really deals damage only when you stack Armor or play Rammus or Malphite. Most of the times I personally keep Bramble Vest in inventory and finish Thornmail after I build some other items, when I feel it is actually worth upgrading.
Tahminatrix 1 votesAgain, its going to give grevious wounds and negate most of yi`s healing, meanwhile most tanks have decent enough base damage to be able to synergize with magic pen, especially when they cant really abuse the basic attack % reduction from tabi all of the time.
As for tabi vs sorcerer shoes
20 armor out of 170 armor is a lot less than 18 magic pen out of 70 mr
I just went sorcery shoes and carried, while tahm kench is not exactly a tank, he most certainly is on that side of the spectrum...
Sorcery shoes wasn't bad when I tested it on malphite either, or amumu, or nunu zac sejuani galio etc.
Only time I really felt it was iffy was on maokai since he does very little damage compared to the other tanks and relies on consistent healing with his passive (so he really cant let himself be bursted in order to function)
Im not telling you to build sorcery shoes on tanks nonstop, im asking you to consider them when the enemy team does not do much damage via basic attacks.
Thornmail + sorcery shoes isn't supposed to be a net gain vs whatever master yi can build (unless its against a healing item) its there to consistently and considerably damage him..
Ill give you the benefit of assuming master yi has somehow obtained 70% magic damage reduction (200 or so mr), 13 damage to him per auto. At most.
He autos you, autos you again for a double strike, that's 13 x 3 =39 damage, autos you again, procs rageblade and then procs his double strike for another 13 x 2 = 26 damage.
26 + 39 = 65 damage over the span of 5 onhit procs which realistically can be done within a second...
You also have 70% magic damage reduction (a lot more possible as a tank), instead of his dealing 80 damage it deals 24 and heals for 24 when under half health.
Then your grevious wounds apply, reducing healing by 40%.
24 x 0.6 = 14.4
So instead of healing for 80 per hit he heals for 1.4 (after subtracting 13 from ) And all other healing is reduced by 40%.
AND THATS IF HE SOMEHOW GOT ENOUGH MAGIC RESIST TO TAKE ONLY 30% MAGIC DAMAGE.
OVER 200 MR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
figold6661 votesI saw that you are playing Ornn, and unfortunately Yi and Vayne both hard counter him. You kinda have to rely on your teammates to deal with them, as you will be shredded incredibly fast.
GigglesO3 votesIts not even that, its just that the yi's auto attacks actually didn't deal damage. Itemization is dumb when it comes to champions not being able to be tanky.
figold6661 votesIt’s really important though to see that Ornn is HARD countered by Yi and Vayne. Ornn doesn’t have any defensive steroid in his kit, as he relies entirely on stacking Ar/Mr. Thus Vayne and Yi, who are countered by shields and heals, just steamroll Ornn. Not only that all of Ornn’s CC is slow and easy to dodge.
Part of this is just Ornn’s fault. Play him less like a tank and more like a bruiser.
GigglesO1 votesYou still miss the post I just restated.
Their auto attacks don't deal damage.
Like holy fuck, read what I said.
figold6661 votesAnyway it’s just a death recap bug. I thought you were angry at Yi/Vayne killing you easily.
KFCeytron1 votesLooks like the enemy team's hypercarries got fed and then killed you. Did you expect to live forever against that? Do you think that would have been a fair outcome?
I checked this match in your match history, and it told me two things.
First, the enemy's carries were specifically geared toward on-hit true damage, whose purpose is to deal with tanks. However, they still built defensive items, so apparently defense isn't as useless as you claim.
Second, I hate the official Match History site because many matches are simply broken, including this one: the "champion kills" feature does nothing, and the "builds" tab doesn't show at all. That's the most fucked-up part of this whole situation, in my opinion. And that's on top of a terrible interface in general. The match listing is a fancy modern infinite scrolling piece of trash, individual matches can't be opened in a new tab, navigating back to the match listing doesn't save your spot in it so you have to scroll down to where you were all over again every time, and navigating back often doesn't even work so you have to refresh the listing. But it seems to be the only way to get a standalone page for an individual match with its own link, and you can view builds and a K/D map for every player in a match when the feature works, so we're basically stuck with this trash. And that's the official one. Ugh.
GigglesO1 votesIts not even about living forever, I just wanted to post that yi's autos apparently do no damage.
Vaynes autos don't apparently deal damage either.
KFCeytron1 votesIts not even about living forever, I just wanted to post that yi's autos apparently do no damage.
Vaynes autos don't apparently deal damage either.
Their autoattacks usually deal damage, but not when they're facing such a heavily defensive opponent that they decide to abandon autoattack damage and focus on spell/item effects.
Lovelle1 votesYou get 3 seconds to live against them at most, as a tank. Why bother with that bs when you can just play a real damage dealer?
