Riot when are you going to understand Riven is too oppressive to deal with Riven technically has no lane counters because she dictates when to fight or not
just because some silver shitters on these boards cry they cant faceroll doesnt mean shes weak lmao
Just revert the health regen and Ult dmg buff
Lord Malpercio26 votesOnce more, I will continue to stress that Riot needs to stop treating Riven as an assassin, nerf her AD scalings, and give her back her defensive scalings that they nerfed into the ground. She was once a Fighter/Bruiser, these days it's '100-0 or I'm shit'
Also they need to remove animation canceling and stop treating it like it's not a bug.
Gregor Gysi8 votesI think that's definetely not enough, imo her shield needs to scale with AP and get a real (!) cooldown. Riven in general needs to get real Cooldowns or get a passive (similiar to Yasuo's reduced crit passive) that reduces her scaling with CDR seeing how every CDR items gives way too much in general. A 50% effectiveness of CDR would be fair imho.
Removing animation cancelling, buffering and doublecasting should be obvious, Riot seriously dropped the ball on this one and they need to own up to it.
I think another interesting idea would be to make Riven's Q just be one dash instead of 3 (with the damage of 2 old Q's) - although Riven mains will downvote me for this. 2 dashes is way more than most champions have, 4 is just ridiculous. ~AH
Ycagel Legacy10 votes"Removing animation cancelling, buffering and doublecasting should be obvious, Riot seriously dropped the ball on this one and they need to own up to it." Because it would means buffing Riven even more stats wise and killing her skill ceiling (which is the reason some people like to play champion like Riven, Yasuo, Zed).
IcyPepper2 votesDoes every champion need to have a high skill ceiling, though?
In the name of health, it might just be better to cut their losses and remove the animation cancelling. Animation cancelling is just a mechanic, and it doesn't seem all that fun anyway compared to using game knowledge actual "outplays" like Yasuo and Zed are actually capable of.
Gregor Gysi1 votesFinally a fellow 100 IQ person who agrees that Riven is actually a noob champ with fancy plays ~AH
IcyPepper3 votesI... wouldn't go that far.
Gregor Gysi1 votesI see you withstanding the supression by Riven mains, but fear not and endure the downvotes for justice will prevail! ~AH
IcyPepper6 votesI dunno man, they're entitled to their opinion too. I mean, what if I'm wrong? What if a champion like Yasuo deserves to have a lower skill ceiling and changed accordingly, and Riven's design is the ultimate symbol of game health itself? Hell if I know, I'm not a game developer. Just a random dude on the internet with an opinion.
DoktorKaiser1 votesTrue, but its also the reason that they are cancer, if you are good enough there is absolutely 0 counterplay
Kat In The Hat8 votes[{quoted}](name=Gregor Gysi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mFpu2dGT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-11T17:18:21.062+0000) 4 is just ridiculous.
Velzard of Koz1 votesShe's blinking tho :P
PermabannedGaren8 votes[{quoted}](name=Gregor Gysi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mFpu2dGT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-11T17:18:21.062+0000)
I think that's definetely not enough, imo her shield needs to scale with AP and get a real (!) cooldown. Riven in general needs to get real Cooldowns or get a passive (similiar to Yasuo's reduced crit passive) that reduces her scaling with CDR seeing how every CDR items gives way too much in general. A 50% effectiveness of CDR would be fair imho.
Removing animation cancelling, buffering and doublecasting should be obvious, Riot seriously dropped the ball on this one and they need to own up to it.
I think another interesting idea would be to make Riven's Q just be one dash instead of 3 (with the damage of 2 old Q's) - although Riven mains will downvote me for this. 2 dashes is way more than most champions have, 4 is just ridiculous.
Nice troll post friend (I'm assuming it's a troll post because it's nicer than assuming you're really this lacking in intelligence).
Gregor Gysi3 votesAre you implying that Riven isn't the strongest champion since the preseason? ~AH
PermabannedGaren8 votes[{quoted}](name=Gregor Gysi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mFpu2dGT,comment-id=0001000000030000,timestamp=2017-03-11T20:09:30.344+0000)
Are you implying that Riven isn't the strongest champion since the preseason?
Not implying, outright stating, and if you believe otherwise you're stupid my friend.
Gregor Gysi2 votesTypical toxic Riven main ~AH
PermabannedGaren4 votes[{quoted}](name=Gregor Gysi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mFpu2dGT,comment-id=000100000003000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-11T23:08:54.326+0000)
Typical toxic Riven main
Don't main Riven. I don't even really play her that often in normals. I'm just far smarter than you are my friend.
Gregor Gysi1 votesEvery person with a perfect 100 IQ would know that Riven is broken ~AH
PermabannedGaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=Gregor Gysi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mFpu2dGT,comment-id=00010000000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-12T00:12:52.855+0000)
Every person with a perfect 100 IQ would know that Riven is broken
100 IQ isn't perfect friend. It's plebeian. You're a pleb at best. I'm a patrician super genius.
Mira Arya Enthe3 votesDude, please track LCS and D-C pick rates better.
Jayce, Camille, Poppy, Maokai, Jhin, Lee Sin, Hecarim, Vi, Fiora, Ashe, Varus, Janna. Try some of these first...
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesLCS= irrelevant for soloQ.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesLCS AND D-C. Diamond through challenger. Plus LCS is completely relevant. Sheep pick whatever they see in lcs. Know how many mordes I saw before he was used there? 0. After? 6.
Fondling Gems6 votesYou realize Riven's first two Q's barely count as dashes right? They can't go over walls and it is faster to walk with 550 movespeed. The first two "dashes" are little more than a glorified speed boost.
HazyCloud72 votesThey can't remove the animation cancelling, she's balanced around it at this point and the compensation she'd need to receive to be viable after removing it would make her skill floor a lot lower.
This thread is a bunch of fuss over a champion that isn't even a problem right now.
Noble Fox2 votesI would be perfectly fine with them giving back the health regen, giving back the shield length, and taking the damage buff off of ult. She did not need a buff to her ult damage in any way. I am a riven main at D5, animation canceling is not her problem. There is no way to take away the animation canceling riven has without forcing a buff to her q and w, because then her damage would have to be spread over like 5 more seconds.
Not to mention the fact that she has literally no good meta matchups right now, other than MAYBE gangplank? She's not strong in lane, and takes good skill to teamfight correctly. Riven has an extreme, read: fatal, weakness, to literally ANY form of cc. A silence, a stun, a root, literally anything in a coordinated team will ruin riven unless that Riven player is good. This is why people like you at gold 5 hate riven, because at your rank you have teams that can't work together, have no idea what a strength and weakness is, or how to abuse it. For example, the adc that tries to 1v1 the riven and gets pissed that she cant use caitlyn to effectively outplay a riven. Everyone at higher ranks knows that riven is a bitch to fight, because at higher ranks the people that play her are dedicated riven mains who are extremely good at the champion. Viper, dekar, boxbox, are all mechanically insane with the champion, and are properly rewarded for their skill.
I'd wager everyone knows when they have a riven on their team, if it's a good one or bad one. You know immediately when the riven feeds 3+ kills in lane, and then tries to 1v3 for the rest of mid game, that they're garbage.
I'd say riven needs no offensive ratio nerfs, but I would take back the buff to her ult damage, and give it back some missile speed, if not all of the missile speed.
Velzard of Koz1 votesTo be honest she isn't the only one. Damage creep and bursting is so high that many Divers seem to burst more than dealing sustained damage. Even though Riven isn't supposed to be Diver.
Ahristocats14 votesSince when riven is a problem?
ShadowParker12 votesRiven really isn't over bearing right now..
PermabannedGaren7 votesA Garen main complaining about Riven.
What a crybaby girlyboy lmao.
SUPERMOVA6 votesbut im higher elo than you'll ever achieve and if you werent low silver you would know competent Rivens beat Garen
Papa Andrei5 votesA good Riven beats anything
SwaggyMcGhee4202 votesSome matchups are more favored towards her, and some aren't. She has to be significantly better than the player she's against in an unfavorable matchup in order to win.
Troll for Trump1 votesYes, but she doesn't really have an unfavorable matchup.
If you're really bad or just starting out, the "unfavorable" matchups are actually unfavorable.
If you've played her as much as you would've played for any other champ, she basically has no hard counters anymore.
Basically, almost no counters require the immense amount of skill that you mention.
If I get 200 games on Riven, I can beat anything basically.
if I get 200 games on Darius, I'll still sht on melees, but certain ranged champs will still be nigh impossible.
SwaggyMcGhee4202 votesShe still has to be significantly better than her opponent at the specific matchup if it's unfavorable. There's no way she'll beat a Kennen or Jayce who has more experience than her in the matchup.
Troll for Trump1 votesThat's not what I said, I'm saying, if two people are of equal skill levels, the Riven will end up winning because she has more potential. A diamond one-trick kennen can only go so far with the set limits on Kennen. A Diamon one-trick Riven just ends up with way more flexibility.
SwaggyMcGhee4201 votesThat's not true, though. Riven does have a higher mechanical skillcap, but matchup knowledge is a totally different thing. If the Kennen has more experience in the matchup, and knows what he's doing, it's easy to beat Riven.
Troll for Trump1 votesIt has to be on equal ground:
The riven and Kennen have the same skill lvl.
If Kennen has knowledge specifically about the Riven matchup, the Riven must also have a lot of knowledge about the kennen matchup.
On equal ground, the Riven always beats the Kennen
SwaggyMcGhee4201 votesThat's not how it works. Them having the same skill level and experience on the champion doesn't mean they have equal knowledge of the specific matchup. Riven has a 12% pickrate in plat+, while Kennen has around a 2.5% pickrate. That means that a Riven player who has played the same amount of games as a Kennen has played the matchup less than 1/4 the amount of the times Kennen has.
Even then, a Riven player has to be significantly better than Kennen in that matchup because Kennen has the advantage as a ranged lane bully.
PermabannedGaren9 votesbut im higher elo than you'll ever achieve and if you werent low silver you would know competent Rivens beat Garen
I guess BoxBox must be low silver, since he says that Garen is Riven's hardest match-up in lane (but because Garen is useless dogshit afterwards it's not that bad).
Your problem isn't Riven. It's that you're dumb enough to play a useless dog shit champion friend.
SUPERMOVA1 votesYou don't have a clue what you're talking about, Riven is a problem for many champions other than Garen right now lmao
Maybe if you stop getting mad at anyone who is better at the game than u you would be less butthurt you silver smeb
Also the fact you know im a Garen main means you OPGG everybody you talk to, you should probably stop doing that since you're bad at the game and using alt acc to post lmao
PermabannedGaren7 votesYou don't have a clue what you're talking about. Riven is a problem for many champions other than Garen right now lmao
Afraid not. If you're having problems with Riven the Rivens you're playing against are merely much better than you. Does this hurt your feelings little guy?
Maybe if you stop getting mad at anyone who is better at the game than u you would be less butthurt you silver smeb
I'm not the one making girlish crybaby threads shitting my pants about Riven lmao.
Also the fact you know im a Garen main means you OPGG everybody you talk to,
I just checked your match history actually.
you should probably stop doing that since you're bad at the game
Correlation?
and using alt acc to post lmao
I'm using an alt account to post because my main is banned on the boards friend, and no, it's never been diamond five.
It's hilarious that the sissy whose feelings were hurt is trying to play it off like I'm the one mad.
But you know, I'll go ahead and say sorry. I was too mean in my first post to you. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings bud. My apologies.
SUPERMOVA1 votesthe fact you spend so much time on these boards instead of actually getting better at the game is tragic lmao
stay silver
PermabannedGaren9 votesthe fact you spend so much time on these boards instead of actually getting better at the game is tragic lmao
stay silver
I accept your concession girlyboy. I hope you get over your butthurt one day and learn to pick your battles better.
AirKingNeo6 votesAny analysis or are people just upvoting a low quality complain post?
Narasimha4 votesOff the top of my head
Penns3 votesRiven is kind of like Yasuo imo, even when you outstat them and they have no way to actually fight you, theyre still annoying af with their shields and dashes lol.
Ycagel Legacy8 votesYes, let's all become balls of stats that just hit each others while staying still.
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesI, for one, welcome our new Stat Ball Overlords.