Look at my match history. Every single game I play well. Every single game I get teammates who don't.
I don't know what to do. I want to play Morgana, but you just can't carry kids who get dumpstered every game. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=morgana+ultima
What am I supposed to do?
The Nocturne God5 votesIt is easy to think you are playing good without actually playing good.
In this game:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB1mT5.png
You cared way too much about your KDA that you contributed nothing. You were 0-1-5, so a 5.0 KDA, but you also had only 2.7k damage as a mid morgana. Your 3-9-6 support lulu had more damage than you. Your top and jungler both had over double your damage. You also had 4k gold compared to 6k on support, 7-8k on everyon else. It literally seems like you AFKd that game, being only level 8 when everyone else was 13ish for solo lanes.
In this game:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB2lO5.png
Look at how again your damage is on the low end. The Ryze was plat 4 and he did 33.7k damage, you are gold 4 and did 22k damage. When thinking you should be at a certain rank, compare your stats with theirs at the end of the game and see how it lines up. He had 1k more gold, 60 more CS. Your KDA was good again.. but again... KDA really does not mean all too much in League. People that emphasize KDA, ESPECIALLY in low elo, end up making it so their team is playing down a player.
Now lets look at a game where you won:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB3f3y.png
Notice how the P5 had 60k damage and carried it when you were at 30k? The high gold / low plat vayne also had 53k damage. They also had 7k more gold than you because they were playing the map correctly and their GPM was high. Your KDA was good, but if I watched your replay I could probably point out 20-30k worth of damage that you could have done if you just helped out rather than cared about protecting KDA.
Lets analyze another win:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB4cte.png
The gold 2 kha zix carried with 24k damage. For reference you had 8k damage, the lowest damage in the game other than your team's support and the enemy team's support. In most of your games, as a solo laner, you put out as much damage as a support. Mid morgana can do damage - you are not doing damage because of your play style. Rest of the team was high gold, rest of the team outperformed you.
"Look at my match history. Every single game I play well. Every single game I get teammates who don't."
But this just isn't the case. I didn't discriminate to pick matches, I just took your last 4 games in a row, ignoring your support game since you play mid and not support.
BEK Makadur1 votesYou got talent dude. Maybe you should become a, coach ;p
Professor Ward1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m04Uetvm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-04T10:20:16.212+0000)
It is easy to think you are playing good without actually playing good.
In this game:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB1mT5.png
You cared way too much about your KDA that you contributed nothing. You were 0-1-5, so a 5.0 KDA, but you also had only 2.7k damage as a mid morgana. Your 3-9-6 support lulu had more damage than you. Your top and jungler both had over double your damage. You also had 4k gold compared to 6k on support, 7-8k on everyon else. It literally seems like you AFKd that game, being only level 8 when everyone else was 13ish for solo lanes.
In this game:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB2lO5.png
Look at how again your damage is on the low end. The Ryze was plat 4 and he did 33.7k damage, you are gold 4 and did 22k damage. When thinking you should be at a certain rank, compare your stats with theirs at the end of the game and see how it lines up. He had 1k more gold, 60 more CS. Your KDA was good again.. but again... KDA really does not mean all too much in League. People that emphasize KDA, ESPECIALLY in low elo, end up making it so their team is playing down a player.
Now lets look at a game where you won:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB3f3y.png
Notice how the P5 had 60k damage and carried it when you were at 30k? The high gold / low plat vayne also had 53k damage. They also had 7k more gold than you because they were playing the map correctly and their GPM was high. Your KDA was good, but if I watched your replay I could probably point out 20-30k worth of damage that you could have done if you just helped out rather than cared about protecting KDA.
Lets analyze another win:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB4cte.png
The gold 2 kha zix carried with 24k damage. For reference you had 8k damage, the lowest damage in the game other than your team's support and the enemy team's support. In most of your games, as a solo laner, you put out as much damage as a support. Mid morgana can do damage - you are not doing damage because of your play style. Rest of the team was high gold, rest of the team outperformed you.
"Look at my match history. Every single game I play well. Every single game I get teammates who don't."
But this just isn't the case. I didn't discriminate to pick matches, I just took your last 4 games in a row, ignoring your support game since you play mid and not support.
citing damage as a sole factor of level of play, i cringed the whole way through this post.
The Nocturne God2 votes[{quoted}](name=Professor Ward,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m04Uetvm,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-08-04T13:55:46.406+0000)
citing damage as a sole factor of level of play, i cringed the whole way through this post.
Cringe all you want... it is a very important stat. YOU could benefit from this too if you want out of the bronze/silver area. Damage leads to objectives. You kill champions, you ger objectives. You get them low, you get objectives. You don't do any dmge, you ger nothing. I can see cringinh if he was playing a tank... but he waa playing AND building AP carry.
Weedlayer1 votesDon't quote the whole post for a one line replay.
Professor Ward1 votesDon't quote the whole post for a one line replay.
dont mini-mod
Weedlayer1 votesWouldn't have to if you knew how to use a message board.
Morgana Ultima1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m04Uetvm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-04T10:20:16.212+0000)
It is easy to think you are playing good without actually playing good.
In this game:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB1mT5.png
You cared way too much about your KDA that you contributed nothing. You were 0-1-5, so a 5.0 KDA, but you also had only 2.7k damage as a mid morgana. Your 3-9-6 support lulu had more damage than you. Your top and jungler both had over double your damage. You also had 4k gold compared to 6k on support, 7-8k on everyon else. It literally seems like you AFKd that game, being only level 8 when everyone else was 13ish for solo lanes.
In this game:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB2lO5.png
Look at how again your damage is on the low end. The Ryze was plat 4 and he did 33.7k damage, you are gold 4 and did 22k damage. When thinking you should be at a certain rank, compare your stats with theirs at the end of the game and see how it lines up. He had 1k more gold, 60 more CS. Your KDA was good again.. but again... KDA really does not mean all too much in League. People that emphasize KDA, ESPECIALLY in low elo, end up making it so their team is playing down a player.
Now lets look at a game where you won:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB3f3y.png
Notice how the P5 had 60k damage and carried it when you were at 30k? The high gold / low plat vayne also had 53k damage. They also had 7k more gold than you because they were playing the map correctly and their GPM was high. Your KDA was good, but if I watched your replay I could probably point out 20-30k worth of damage that you could have done if you just helped out rather than cared about protecting KDA.
Lets analyze another win:
https://pasteboard.co/HxB4cte.png
The gold 2 kha zix carried with 24k damage. For reference you had 8k damage, the lowest damage in the game other than your team's support and the enemy team's support. In most of your games, as a solo laner, you put out as much damage as a support. Mid morgana can do damage - you are not doing damage because of your play style. Rest of the team was high gold, rest of the team outperformed you.
"Look at my match history. Every single game I play well. Every single game I get teammates who don't."
But this just isn't the case. I didn't discriminate to pick matches, I just took your last 4 games in a row, ignoring your support game since you play mid and not support.
In the first game I basically just stood at the tower. My team had died 20 times by 10 minutes in and were flaming each other. So i alt tabbed and played solitaire. I was 0/1/5 because I spam ganked successfully.
Second game the ryze went 0/8 mid. I dominated bot lane until we got 5 man ganked repeatedly because we were the only lane that won. I basically afked because the game was over in a landslide.
Third game I had 70% kill participation. Our singed died like crazy. Instead I stayed near the back and blackshielded and peeled for our adcs. My early game was tremendous and I had a TON of successful ganks which snowballed the graves.
Fourth game. You realize I'm consistently doing as much damage as the enemy mid laner right? So mathematically I'm at least doing as well as every other midlaner on the enemy team. I'm also dying A LOT less. So yea kind of hard to argue I'm not at least winning or going even in my position every game.
The fact is this: every game my allies go 0/4 lane. Every. Game. I gank for them a ton. I'm not a late game carry and Morgana never has been. If my allies can't transition into late game then we lose. Should that be the case? No. If they're in my game they should be remotely at my skill level. I'm not going 0/4 in lane. Ever. EVER. EVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEER.
The Nocturne God2 votes[{quoted}](name=Morgana Ultima,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m04Uetvm,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-08-04T17:38:52.351+0000)
In the first game I basically just stood at the tower. My team had died 20 times by 10 minutes in and were flaming each other. So i alt tabbed and played solitaire. I was 0/1/5 because I spam ganked successfully.
Second game the ryze went 0/8 mid. I dominated bot lane until we got 5 man ganked repeatedly because we were the only lane that won. I basically afked because the game was over in a landslide.
Third game I had 70% kill participation. Our singed died like crazy. Instead I stayed near the back and blackshielded and peeled for our adcs. My early game was tremendous and I had a TON of successful ganks which snowballed the graves.
Fourth game. You realize I'm consistently doing as much damage as the enemy mid laner right? So mathematically I'm at least doing as well as every other midlaner on the enemy team. I'm also dying A LOT less. So yea kind of hard to argue I'm not at least winning or going even in my position every game.
The fact is this: every game my allies go 0/4 lane. Every. Game. I gank for them a ton. I'm not a late game carry and Morgana never has been. If my allies can't transition into late game then we lose. Should that be the case? No. If they're in my game they should be remotely at my skill level. I'm not going 0/4 in lane. Ever. EVER. EVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEER.
You spam gankee but did no damage? If all you contribute is your black shield then you aren't realky contributing. Kill participation is an important stat, but sonne champions, like Morgana, can easily farm assusts while contributing ALMOST NOTHING except pressing E on a team mate.
You keep saying you do better than your team mates, yet in all those games they outperformed you. You even admitted you AFKd in the games where I said it looks like you AFKd, but you are trying to argue like I cant read your games. I've ranthrough your elo on multiple accounts. I know how to carry your exact elo with ease ( http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=HonorRibbon ) , yet you think I'm wrong and you are playing so great but losing? Does that really make sense to you?
Weedlayer2 votes"Every time my team is losing I completely give up, it's impossible to carry bad teammates"
Uh, I think I've found your problem.
Bobloser35551 votesyou think about it way too much in terms of damage dealt, even if you have high damage dealt and high damage taken does't automatically mean you played good. it can be an indicator but there is much more to it.
The Nocturne God1 votesyou think about it way too much in terms of damage dealt, even if you have high damage dealt and high damage taken does't automatically mean you played good. it can be an indicator but there is much more to it.
And you have the same problem as the poster, you don't know how to climb out of silver. You have 1200 games in it. Meanwhile, I'm able to climb to top 0.5% on my main account every season for the past 5 years and smurf multiple unranked to diamomd accounts each season to disprove elo hell. I also pointed out his low level and gold income... both very important stats, but you missed that.
But go ahead, don't focus on what I'm telling you will win games.. go play another 1200 and blame team mates for not climbing. I post in these threads to help people out. Some people take the advice, I add them on my main, then help them climb with tips. Those that just want to argue, without having any credentials for being able to carry at the rank we are talking about, are a complete waste of my time.
Bobloser35551 votesI don't disagree with you at all, also I don't blame teammates for not climbing. Just wanted to point out that damage isn't everything, I only read some of your previous post. I don't really try to climb much, I am too lazy and untalented but I just enjoy playing.
Hyquiem2 votesNothing. At the end of the fking day. They are loosing aswell so you should be happy
Morgana Ultima1 votesNothing. At the end of the fking day. They are loosing aswell so you should be happy
How am I supposed to climb?
Hyquiem2 votes[{quoted}](name=Morgana Ultima,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m04Uetvm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T09:56:59.521+0000)
How am I supposed to climb?
By playing to improve.
Morgana Ultima1 votesBy playing to improve.
So if get like 10% more cs in lane can I carry my 0/15 bot lane?
Bobloser35551 votesI think people like you dont want to do the work do you review the recordings and look at all your mistakes and what you could have done better?
Morgana Ultima1 votesI think people like you dont want to do the work do you review the recordings and look at all your mistakes and what you could have done better?
A lot times it comes down to if I had landed a particular binding perhaps we woulda won that engage. But you can't possibly land every skill shot every game. What you can do every game is not feed your ass off. I don't feed my ass off ever. I win my lane or go even every single game.
Of all the games in my match history I can't remember one decent player on either team. I hit my bindings on all of them. I beat all of them in 1 v1s. My allies fed like crazy. Truthfully, there wasn't a single person who was like holy shit that guy out played me.
I mean there was one game with a talon mid. He went even with me mid and then gave up on me. He used his hyper mobility to dumpster my bot lane which basically had no counter play because 1.) You can't match his roam and 2.) our adc would never stop over extending. What more am I going to do?
There are also things just genuinely out of my control. If my bot lane is like 0/10 by 10 minutes in I can't stop that. I just can't. Morgana can't roam bot that much. I even rush Mobis, but it's not worth me missing waves and waves of cs to hold their hand.
I'm friends with a bunch of people in Diamond. We all started playing league together. They rose to diamond playing hyper snowball champions like Talon. I kinda just stalled out as Morgana. I genuinely feel like my champion choice is just impossible to win with as a mid and supporting with random people is meh.
Hyquiem1 votes[{quoted}](name=Morgana Ultima,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m04Uetvm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-04T10:13:07.220+0000)
So if get like 10% more cs in lane can I carry my 0/15 bot lane?
The fact is Bot lanes scale, while solo lanes like top and mid need cs and some kills to round good. So if you really want to carry your bot lane, you should win your lane. And just so your not the only carrier in game I suggest roaming to the winning lane. By winning lane I mean the lane that I said not super behind, if you give your teammate a lead they will snowball and then your team will have 2 carries. Thus you see your purpose as a solo laner is not to carry alone, it’s to bounce off your lead on your teammates.
Though if you were a jungler you would gank the winning lane but jungle is greatly influenced by meta, so ganking a lane that will be stronger when fed is the best idea, getting yourself and your lanes or lane ahead will help you carry the bot lane.
Professor Ward1 votesStop playing morgana, in 5 years of league ive never had a morg that was dominating or devastating to my team. Shes just not the one m8
The Nocturne God1 votesOh yea, and saying you always do the same damage as the enemy mid is a straight out lie. 50%of the time you are over doubled or almost doubled in damge. You are also comparing yourself to other players who did poorly. You want to compare yourself to the people doing GOOD at your elo, not the ones struggling too.
chipndip11 votes"Every game I do well"
Last game recorded the man does less than 50% of the enemy Veigar's damage, which tallies up to the very least on his own team...as the mid laner.
Morgana Ultima1 votes"Every game I do well"
Last game recorded the man does less than 50% of the enemy Veigar's damage, which tallies up to the very least on his own team...as the mid laner.
Had 5 successful ganks early. My team typed in chat nonstop and raged so I went to brush my teeth. Sorry I can't carry a team that rages and feeds like crazy. So your response is invalid.
