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Why would you nerf Morgana mid?

Morgana Ultima··4 votes·1,273 views

Little confused about the mana regen nerf on Morgana. So every other champ in the game is allowed to have low mp cost wave clear as a mid, but Morgana isnt?

Meta Champions that easily clear mid wave with low mana costs:

Ahri Ekko Karthus Talon Zoe Diana Vladamir Tailyah Xerath

I could list about 20 more if I went into off meta champs.

So basically you're going to force me to buy a lost chapter on my first back instead of other things I may need to counter a current matchup. It's not a significant nerf, but its annoying.

Also where are the Rakan and Pyke nerfs? Morgana is considered a top tier support right now because you released several EXTREMELY overpowered supports recently that she semi counters. Maybe nerf the overpowered people and Morgana would become more of a niche pick again than a necessity.

By the way. The counter play to W spam in bot lane is to stand near your wave. This causes her to choose to push the bot wave at the cost of applying scorch/spellthief/manaband. This means her lane will be easier to gank and forces her team to have better control of river.

By the way the only reason it is spammable is because of Manaband. Why don't you just remove manaband? It's a stupid rune anyway. You've nerfed mana regen to the point where mages have to take it. I'd rather take Nimbus cloak, but I can't. Where is the rune choice?

Also, black shield has a 22 second cooldown. Making it costs 30 more mana will do absolutely nothing. It's not like you're spamming it like a Janna shield. Have people at Riot games ever actually seen a league game before?

Anyway, it's not a huge deal. As a one trick Morgana it's not going to affect me very much. I'm just a little confused about why Rakan has a charm, a knock up, a heal, a shield, and 400 dashes, but I didn't see any Rakan nerfs on the PBE. Little confused about why Rakan is a top LCS pick in just about every game but Is till don't see any patch notes about him. I'm a little confused about the state of pyke. Little bit confused about the state of some other mids.

Also why are you nerfing support again? Jesus.

9 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

It's not because she waveclears with low mana costs, but more with how absurdly safe and uninteractive it is.

Against a Morgana mid, you basically accept that the best way the lane can go for you (outside of her just being stupid) is even. If the Morgana has 8 brain cells, you can't win the lane against her.

Morgana Ultima3 votes

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It's not because she waveclears with low mana costs, but more with how absurdly safe and uninteractive it is.

Against a Morgana mid, you basically accept that the best way the lane can go for you (outside of her just being stupid) is even. If the Morgana has 8 brain cells, you can't win the lane against her.

What? How is that any different than other mids? Karthus does the same thing. Talon and Ekko do the same thing. There are plenty of uninteractive mids.

One of the biggest reasons I pick her is because people like to pick shit like Zed and I can make him choose between last hitting and all inning me. Basically you're saying I should only be playing mids that are forced to fight with the enemy mid. Okay, then I would like to see some nerfs to these other mids with their insanely overpowered kits. Nobody wants to fight Talon. Nobody wants to fight zed. Nobody wants to fight Zoe. The state of mid is aids as fuck.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

The difference is that from level 5 onward she just has to press W to kill casters. There is no delay, it's not short-range enough to abuse, it's just "press this button then walk away to go do stuff".

Karthus has to stay in range for 3 Q casts. Talon and Ekko all require another auto on casters until rank 4 or 5, I believe.

Nobody wants to fight Zed, sure, but you can't use "This one thing is broken, so this other broken thing is justified" as a reason to keep Morgana's waveclear too strong.

Morgana Ultima2 votes

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The difference is that from level 5 onward she just has to press W to kill casters. There is no delay, it's not short-range enough to abuse, it's just "press this button then walk away to go do stuff".

Karthus has to stay in range for 3 Q casts. Talon and Ekko all require another auto on casters until rank 4 or 5, I believe.

Nobody wants to fight Zed, sure, but you can't use "This one thing is broken, so this other broken thing is justified" as a reason to keep Morgana's waveclear too strong.

It only kills the ranged minions. Unless the wave is perfectly stacked it isn't big enough to always hit the front minions. Even if it does you'll have to auto attack them down. If you're only killing caster minions as a mid you're getting like 40% of the wave in gold. That's low silver. I'm not worried about low silver balance.

aezens2 votes

Caster minions give 14 gold and melee minions can´t be cleared even with maxed Torment Soil unless you have some ap itmes. Keep in mind Morgana has with 450 one of the lowest aa-range of all ranged caster and can be zoned quite easily because of her absurd mana costs. You simply can´t effort to waste your mana for an easy to dodge Dark Binding if you want to be able to farm and a good midlaner knows that. Karthus Lay Waste on the other hand has about 900 range and is spamable.

Mana regeneration is crucial for midlane not so much for support though because you don´t have access to mana regeneration items as apc anymore.

In my opinion Torment Soil needs a mana refound effect similar to Malzahars Malefice Vision or better Karthus Defile passive. This would be much fairer because supports usually don´t lasthit.

Rian1 votes

Are you acctually complaining that Morgana isn´t able to one-shot you at lv 2 and needs to farm first? There is simply no reason to fight for Morgana before a certain breakpoint because of her huge mana costs and high sustain in the game. Before you are able to kill someone you will most likely run out of mana and that´s the reason you have to play save.

Morgana Ultima1 votes

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Are you acctually complaining that Morgana isn´t able to one-shot you at lv 2 and needs to farm first? There is simply no reason to fight for Morgana before a certain breakpoint because of her huge mana costs and high sustain in the game. Before you are able to kill someone you will most likely run out of mana and that´s the reason you have to play save.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. A high school math education would show that at no point in the game does morgana one shot anyone in thie history of league of legends. It just doesn't happen bro. You MIGHT with a huge lead be able to Q W somebody, but even that is unlikely. You'd need follow up or poke damage beforehand. Definitely impossible at level 2 straight up.

Rian1 votes

That´s exactly the point. While a lot of midlaners like zed, talon, casio, zoe, viktor, etc. can effectively fight/kill you at lv 2 or even lv 1, Morgana simply doesn´t have the choice. She is more reliant on her team and farming. Sure Blackshield is a strong defensive ability but on the other hand she is very immobile and has a low aa-range. However her "save" and "inactiv" laning phase is a result of this and the things I have mentioned in my earlier post. If you don´t play save you won´t accomplish anything besides feeding your lane opponent. She can be a good counter to heavy snowballer but she has no sustain dps at all which means if you miss a single binding you are probably dead.

SwiftKitten881 votes

this nerf is bullshit rfight from the start?

"morg support maxes W last?"

ummm NO WE DONT.. just flat out... i dont max W last at all, i max it 2nd... after q, becuase i need to to clear the fucking waves that my morons in lower elo just leave the while they group mid like morons pushing nothing. and standing there getting no exp or gold, while i take bot cs

30 more mana at rank 1 is absurd and at the same time your gutting my mana regen???

seriously riot... DO U EVEN TEST THIS SHIT?

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