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When we wanted Supports to be more than ward bots...

AninLegions777··2 votes·876 views

We didn't mean make them healing/shielding bots which is even worse. Seriously what was Riot thinking?! Oh and thanks for making CDR fcking common. I remember when getting 40% CDR on anything other than mages (Morello and Athene's rush) was quite hard and only a select few items had CDR. Now supports overbuild CDR. Hitting 40% CDR at 20 mins. Champs like Janna/Soraka/Nami/Karma/Sona dominating bot lane because they have poke and shield every 2 seconds. Thanks to that broken windspeaker's keystone (which most people forget about) and the passive from forbidden idol upgrades, they just spam shields/heals until they run oom (which is almost impossible cos their mana regen is awesome). And don't get me started with Redemption and Locket. It just seems like every game, the team with the most heal/shields win. At least release an item that reduces value of shields but make it share a unique passive with Executioner's calling.

61 Comments

Hethalean6 votes

"Make supports more than ward bots!" "OH GOD I HATE SUPPORTS DOING THINGS MORE THAN WARDING!"

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

i dominate bot lane as Nautilus

i have no heals or shields

MadManApocalypse2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lvAIQEGY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-30T01:28:01.948+0000)

i dominate bot lane as Nautilus

i have no heals or shields

Might wanna re-word that.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

why ?

AninLegions7772 votes

Cos... uno.... his E is a .... nvm

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

his E isnt a shield for allies ... he is a tank with cc he provides no heal or shield for his team what so ever

chipndip11 votes

Reword it anyway because I bet you bought item 3190 and item 3107 .

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

at naut support not really typically i get item 2303 item 3068 item 3025 for my core and i run summoner 14 summoner 4

chipndip11 votes

I guess norms don't punish that type of thing as hard as I'd expect, but even then, for half your Naut games within 20 games, you either built or tried to build Redemption/Locket.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

yet they arent core items and most of the time its 4th or 5th items built not rushed like most in most games

AninLegions7772 votes

W

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

HIS W IS A SELF SHIELD NOT A SHIELD HE CAN USE FOR TEAMMATES

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

AninLegions7773 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lvAIQEGY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-30T01:28:01.948+0000)

i dominate bot lane as Nautilus

** i have no heals or shields**

You should facepalm yourself. xD

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

hmm no cuz the OP is talking about supports healing and shielding the team ... naut don't do that

learn what the champ does before you make a post

AninLegions7773 votes

hmm no cuz the OP is talking about supports healing and shielding the team ... naut don't do that

LuL wutt?! item 3107 item 3190 item 3401

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

His abilities do not provide that. The op was talking bout tthose supports who are healers n shield type of champs

AninLegions7771 votes

Thanks to that broken windspeaker's keystone (which most people forget about) and the passive from forbidden idol upgrades, they just spam shields/heals until they run oom (which is almost impossible cos their mana regen is awesome). And don't get me started with Redemption and Locket.

I believe "OP" mentioned those items.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

REGARDLESS this champ right here Nautilus IS NOT A HEALER /SHIELD bot as the OP wrote... and if you play this champ right here Nautilus YOU ARE NOT TAKING 18 INTO CUNNING TREE AND ISNT TAKING WINDSPEAKER'S BLESSING.

either you run 12-0-18 or 0-12-18 taking CoC or Bond of Stone

AninLegions7772 votes

You keep deviating from the main post. OP said healer/shielding champs dominate bot lane which is true. So whether Naut is a healer/shield champ is quite irrelevant.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

NO you say they are dominating the bot lane and they arent

look at PRO play and what the meta supports are

and its not changing the subject is offering FACTS that the OP is refusing to see

Brand MissFortune Malzahar Zyra

are the type of supports dominating

Snowman Arc1 votes

Every champion can build these, that doesn't make them support champions.

AninLegions7771 votes

But most of the time it's built..... it's by.... gasp .... supports! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

no NOT REALLY it depends on the support and the game and what you are facing

as naut support for one when i play him my core build is as follows: ( already stated this)

item 2303 item 3068 item 3025

Snowman Arc1 votes

There is no point in playing Nautilus as support if you are gonna build these items. Supports are there mostly to protect and support their ADC and you don't do that with those items.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

hmm he is all cc that is how he protects

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

he is all cc, and the item 3025 makes him sticker and do a lil bit more damage gives him armor, cdr, mana

but say what you want... i have a 71% win rate on naut since the reset in preseason

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol so having armor and health with his kit so he can tank more damage as he cc and peels don't help the team ? or the adc?

oh btw 71% win rate on naut since the reset in preseason ...

lvl 7 mastery on him too...

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its not a disadvantage naut isn't a healer or a shielder... he is a cc engage type of support similar to Leona .

I build items that make him tankier ... therefore tanks more damage and can be used as a meat shield to protech his team and if he engages don't get blown up for being squishy...

think out side the box man...

LordGeovanni1 votes

you you can zone out enemies off of your adc not like adcs are in danger all that often much better to just make sure you can survive rather than sacificeing stats for an adc that may or may not do anything

Proxy3452 votes

Thats what pure supports are MEANT TO DO lol

AninLegions7771 votes

They already did that. My problem is with the items they introduced. They made them do it too well. Kind of like pre-rework duskblade helped Zed kill easier.

Proxy3455 votes

Their heals and shields were basically garbage before unless they built AP.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Yeah, they always did that and they were useless doing it. Now they are actually impactful when doing it.

AninLegions7771 votes

Useless doing it? When did you start playing this game?

Snowman Arc1 votes

Janna and Soraka weren't as impactful as they are now due to their itemization, which is why most of season 5 and 6 was dominated by tanky / melee supports like Alistar, Braum, Thresh etc.

AninLegions7771 votes

Season 6 was dominated by tanky/melee supports? What are you saying?

Snowman Arc1 votes

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Occasionally Soraka and Janna tried to come back to the meta, with horrible results, since people just counterpicked Leona into Soraka. Mage supports and supportive supports (mostly Nami) only became meta the past 3-4 months since the world championship.

JVlasterQuinn2 votes

Shield Bot ? Heal bot ? Meta support get outshined by Poke mage bot Brand Annie Karma Morgana Malzahar Xerath Velkoz Zyra just to name the general pick.

AninLegions7771 votes

Janna is laughing with her winrate.

Edit: And sorry to burst your bubble but you are plain wrong. https://euw.op.gg/champion/statistics

JVlasterQuinn2 votes

{quoted}

Janna is laughing with her winrate.

Edit: And sorry to burst your bubble but you are plain wrong. https://euw.op.gg/champion/statistics Win rate mean absolutly nothing. Stop use this as proof as it give zero realistic result.

Buildermann 132 votes

Something I noticed about your post. You say windspeakers is "OP". Even with windspeakers, and all of the forbidden idol builds, you only get 50% bonus heal/shield power, and a little armor and magic resist to allies healed. Now, that may sound like a lot, but if you heal for 200 health, you get 100 more health. It's really not that OP. Also, I main support, and they are balanced because their cooldowns are really high. So, you really need to build cdr as much as possible. Also, you said their mana regen is awesome. It is really not, except with certain items. I'm not trying to run you down, I'm just pointing out things that you may have missed.

AninLegions7771 votes

100 Health is actually A LOT and let's look at some CD examples:

  • Nami's W : 10 Sec CD with 0% CDR; 6 sec CD at 40% CDR
  • Soraka's W: 2 Sec CD at max rank with 0% CDR; 1.2sec CD 40% CDR
  • Sona's W: 6 sec CD max rank with 0% CDR; 3.6 sec CD 40% CDR
  • Janna's E: 10 Sec CD with 0% CDR; 6 sec CD at 40% CDR
  • Karma's E: 8 Sec CD max rank with 0% CDR; 5 Sec CD at 40% CDR

These aren't "high cooldowns" at any rank. And I didn't even factor in heal from Redemption and shield from locket. I played Support for quite a while because it was fun to not have to focus on last hitting or ganking for a change and I was tired of other roles. Supports back then didn't have access to CDR as easily as now and that made them balanced. Heck, that made a lot of champs balanced. But now it's just spamville with less thought put into it.

TheAzeban1 votes

What is with all the hate going on about supports?

Every time i see a post like this i want to slap one of you ungrateful Teemo Yasuo Shaco 's!!!! (these champs are all assholes, you can figure out what i mean lol)

going to copy paste what i wrote, hell maybe ill start my own discussion, with what i wrote on a page like this earlier....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzPmG7axrrY

It is not the easiest role though. I think it is funny supports get such a bad rep. "Support is so easy, omg."

The same could be said about any adc. DrMundo "Wow, all you do is run in and auto attack like dumb dumb. All you do is fight, wow, so easy. Braindead role."

But, seriously, how many times have supports saved your ass when you decided you are doublelift and dove under turret? How many time have support not only saved you, but spoon fed you kills? We do much more than you think, not only that, we decide the game more so than most lanes, arguably. It has been proven that placing more wards increases your percent chance to win the game. Now, saying that, I dont think i have ever witnessed a ADC or a Top, hell, even a Jg (excluding lee sin) that places more than 15-20 wards a game.

I suck at this game, and looking at my history for support, I went back 7+ games and every game of support i played i placed at the very least 20 wards.... and that, honestly, is terrible. I need to work on that.

SO, how about giving us babysitters credit for keeping you alive every once in a while, instead of complaining about how its the supports fault you lost. Maybe you need better positioning in fights? IDK, hell maybe you have terrible luck and get the trolliest supports in the community when you play.

A wise man once told me this about league. "For every single thing you see someone else do wrong in game, you yourself have 2 things you need to work on."

Guyy Fieri1 votes

Better for them healing/shielding rather than them killing everything they (Zyra, MF, Malzahar

AninLegions7771 votes

Well at least those ones are extra squishy.

Guyy Fieri2 votes

{quoted}

Well at least those ones are extra squishy.

Healing shielding supports are supervsquishy too dude...unless they build tank and then thy don't do any heals or shielding lol

LordGeovanni1 votes

Supports over build cdr for good items so they are loseing out on stats that make the soraka heal/ janna sheild stronger so it being up more often doesn matter.

Raoul1 votes

Oh my god, Supports can actually support, what a bad thing

AninLegions7771 votes

LuuuuuuL. Like they didn't do so before. FoH.

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