A Reasonable Lux Nerf

ivan usi virgin·2/18/2016, 4:18:02 AM·97 votes·6,575 views

a couple patches back, Riot decided that for whatever reason Swain, a champion with only a ~2% pick rate who's already extremely weak in this meta should be nerfed. Swain's snare duration is now 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds. Lux's snare on the other hand lasts 2 seconds at all levels. Swain's ranked winrate as of february 15th is 49.50% with a 1.95% pickrate while Lux's winrate is 53.49% with a 24.12% pickrate. why is it that Swain has to have his snare nerfed but not Lux? i know riot likes some champions more than others which is why their game is so fucking unbalanced right now, but i think it'd be fairly reasonable to give Lux's snare the same treatment that they gave Swain, since she's so damn strong right now.

177 Comments

Blumpkin Nation2/18/2016, 4:25:47 AM35 votes

Well, I mean. Projectile, 2 person 2-second snare.

And at the time, .5 delayed, aoe 2 second, 5+ person snare.

The reason they nerfed Swain's root was because it was too oppressive with his auto-target Q/E/R. Being unable to get away from Swain meant death for a lot of champions.

Lux needs the revert on the second hit of her snare. It shouldn't deal the same damage and duration to the second target.

weeaboomer2/18/2016, 5:20:28 AM15 votes

Why are you ignoring her brain dead E at 1100 range?

Slamurai Jack2/18/2016, 8:03:46 AM12 votes

I would still rather face the OP Lux than ever face a Swain because at least Lux needs to hit a skillshot instead of just pressing her buttons on me like Swain does. I can also kill her. Swain? Just let me heal 300+ HP off your minions in an all in at lvl 6 trolololol.

Stained Spear2/18/2016, 12:26:56 PM10 votes

Fuck swain. Fuck swain. I keep trying to say something here but fuck swain is all that keeps coming out. Fuck swain. That is all.

iBlitzcrank2/18/2016, 4:21:37 AM8 votes

is that true? yes

BakedLotion2/18/2016, 5:10:16 PM4 votes

When lux players asked for a mana cost reduction to her E and riot decides to buff her every other patch in everything else.

Primadonna2/18/2016, 5:53:24 PM4 votes

Revert the 5.17 changes to her Light Binding and give her E a smaller mana cost at higher ranks, and she will be much much more balanced to play against and as. She was fine before her 5.17 changes, not sure why they gave her a stronger second snare when she didn't need it.

Oerba No Naja2/18/2016, 4:48:26 PM3 votes

Riot likes some champion more than others ?? I cant see what you mean LeeSin

Nekusen2/18/2016, 5:30:09 AM3 votes

how about her snare no longer hits 2 targets, so being behind a minion actually helps.

DeloricVI2/18/2016, 8:23:57 AM2 votes

Honestly, Lux needs some changes. I know its good to have champions that can go different roles, but seriously, Lux is ridiculous. She scales so well with AP, she's played mid a lot. But she has so much cc and utility, she goes supp a lot. People say she does less damage on support, and this is barely true. Most Luxes on support suffer no penalty for building like they're going mid when supporting. Everything but their gold input will be just fine, but since they just farm champions their adc can farm while they get kills/assists.

I mean, just look at how much damage Lux does when compared to champions like Lulu, or Janna. Like, just look at the kit differences. Lux has high utility normal skills, with some pretty ridiculous ratios, and a high-damage execute ult with a high range (NOTE: NOT REALLY AN ACTUAL EXECUTE). Janna and Lulu have ALL utility skills. Lulu has no moves that just do straight up damage, other than maybe Help Pix casted on an enemy, but that still gives you vision of them and moves Pix for plays. Her ult is massive utility and can give any champion an engage, but doesn't do TONS OF DAMAGE. Janna's ult is the opposite; she knocks enemies away, and HEALS allies around her. These are "normal" caster support champions. Even Morgana scales differently with support items; her burst can get a little out of control in the late game, but Lux does pretty hefty damage during the mid, late, and sometimes even early game, if she can get the kills going.

Wow, this thread made me realize I hate Lux more than Morgana. That's... wow.

KING OF MASKS2/18/2016, 7:51:47 PM2 votes

I love both champions and all I have to say is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3fVj8A-K8E

Shuvit2/19/2016, 5:56:24 AM2 votes

Lets all agree lux's ult with 45cdr is what makes league hell for adc's and any other backliners. Overall her damage is crazy....and somehow they put "support" in her champ role.

Rikari2/18/2016, 7:15:38 PM1 votes

Her Q could stop rooting people on the second hit or not do damage,either way its insanely rare to hit two actual champions with it, even in low elo. Her E can't be touched. Her R could use a longer cooldown.

Abyssphere2/18/2016, 11:46:38 PM1 votes

It is pointless to compare Swain's stats post-nerf and Lux's stats pre-proposed nerf in order to ask "Why was Swain nerfed and Lux isn't?". No shit Swain is weaker than Lux after his nerf, that was the whole point of him being nerfed. Obviously Lux is stronger than him right now and could probably stand to get hit herself but if you want to ask why Swain was nerfed and not her, you should be giving us his stats from before he got his root hit. What he's like now is irrelevant.

Popularity is pointless to mention anyway, he's so easy that if his popularity was as high as Lux's it'd make precisely zero difference to his win rate.