Turrets are a joke when will you buff them ?

Yi Bencheikh·Jul 21, 2017·82 votes·2,658 views

Just went against a hecarim who had only jungle cinderhulk + mercury treads and a long sword NO armor item , he dived a lux she rooted him E'd him and ulted and she used barrier + her shield when she was low so she tanked abit more , he killed her and managed to go out alive with 6 turret shots yeah 6 turret shot and getting dammaged ccd by lux and still making it alive anyway and he had no armor items that should reduce the turret's dammage..

The best of this is just an example , i have seen worse ... EDIT : i have recorded the part from the replay , sorry for the bad quality my pc is not the best. https://youtu.be/OtxWFgqJnAI

EDIT : Vid starts at 0:04 because for some reason i was pausing .

85 Comments

RewtJul 21, 201719 votes

Im a jungler. I enjoy Diving. Its still a joke. These towers arent even scary anymore

Yi BencheikhJul 21, 20179 votes

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Im a jungler. I enjoy Diving. Its still a joke. These towers arent even scary anymore

i played kha and lee alot and i can ensure you that diving is a joke now you make it alive 80% of the time.

SpoofghoulJul 22, 20171 votes

Even when you die 80% of the time it's still worth to do it

Because you get assist gold on the laner or yourself Or you have a champion who can snowball harder Or you are such a fat tank that you didn't die anyway

And after you can shove in the waves and do turret damage for more bonus

420 gramsJul 21, 201711 votes

Couldn't help but notice hec had 2 levels on her as well as finished the game 25/10.

Towers protect you early, you protect them late.

Yi BencheikhJul 21, 20174 votes

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Couldn't help but notice hec had 2 levels on her as well as finished the game 25/10.

Towers protect you early, you protect them late.

since when ?

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20179 votes

Since people didn't want hour-long games as a regular thing.

Votable JesterJul 21, 201719 votes

Hour long games are way more fun though...

I'm probably in the minority there though. I also may be biased as I don't think I've lost an hour+ game yet.

Edit: I swear I thought this was a less common opinion. I still think so (just not on the boards perhaps). This was not like those "unpopular opinion" threads.

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20177 votes

Hour long games are extremely draining, especially if you have other shit to do that day. Rarely have I had an hour-long game that didn't result from or in a derpfest, and those are extremely unfun matches.

BoilTheOilJul 21, 20175 votes

you shouldnt be playing league if you got shit to do

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20176 votes

"Don't set aside time to play a videogame if you have other stuff to do that day."

Votable JesterJul 21, 20176 votes

Oh they're draining as hell. I've literally been left shaking after a couple particularly long ones. Even so, that intensity to them makes them that much more fun to me.

LeetriJul 21, 20172 votes

As someone who played a bit of Heroes of the Storm when it was in beta, I can tell you a LOT of people though League had way too long games. Basically everyone on the HotS forum said one of the main reasons they prefer HotS is because they can finish a game in 10-15 minutes, instead of having to drag through an hour long game in League. Not everyone has several hours of free time in a row to play games. I'd say the majority prefers shorter 20-30 minute games, but that's just a wild guess. Personally I prefer 20-30 minute games with a couple of 40-50 minute ones sprinkled in here and there for variance.

NickssaaJul 21, 20174 votes

Games should average around the 40 min mark. 20 mins is too early and lol isnt well equipped for those, and 1 hour is too long and boring.

DurzakaJul 21, 20173 votes

Games are averaging less than 30 minutes. so 23 minutes in is pretty late right now.

HollowMimicJul 21, 20174 votes

40 mins are fine by me

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20173 votes

Nah, I prefer a 30 minute average.

NyarlathοtepJul 21, 201719 votes

It's 23 mins in the game. 23 mins its not late game, so they should still be relevant.

LucrativicJul 21, 201711 votes

bOY OH BOY IT SURE IS FUN TO GET 1V1'ED UNDER YOUR OWN TOWER AND HAVE THEM LIVE XD

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20175 votes

Chances are you got outplayed.

DarkSunSovereignJul 21, 20173 votes

Like in the vid?

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20172 votes

Exactly like in the vid.

LucrativicJul 21, 20173 votes

didn't the lux blow her ENTIRE combo and then some just so have that hecarim still live?

SkiasJul 22, 20171 votes

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didn't the lux blow her ENTIRE combo and then some just so have that hecarim still live?

Funny part is. The laner didn't even help. Dude did it all by himself. Its stupid.

Tobias BracknerJul 22, 20173 votes

She lost half her life before Hecarim even started to get shot by the tower and she stood still with her ult instead of trying to kite.

Tobias BracknerJul 22, 20171 votes

The Lux improperly used her moves and lost half her life outside of tower range.

She should have never used her ult, that's like Cait ulting a target standing right next to her. Worse in this case since if she moved around she might have been able to buy more time for the tower to land a couple more hits.

BrascusJul 22, 20171 votes

She face tanked everything, didn't even try to run around the tower.

LucrativicJul 21, 20171 votes

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bOY OH BOY IT SURE IS FUN TO GET 1V1'ED UNDER YOUR OWN TOWER AND HAVE THEM LIVE XD

bOYOHBOYITSUREISFUNTOSEETHEJUNGLERBMAFTERDIVINGYOUUNDERYOUROWNTOWERATFULLHPXD

Big Black CrocJul 22, 20173 votes

English please.

McsquzzyJul 22, 20171 votes

Boy oh boy it sure is fun to see the jungler bm after diving you under your own tower at full hp XD

Giggling GrannyJul 21, 20179 votes

defensive masteries...

Hecarim at the moment he was getting hit by turret and lux he prock Shield from mastery the 10% extra armor and MR which with the 5% increase of the mastery from defensive masteries (he was having around 150 armor at the moment he was getting attack by the turret plus 100++ HP Shield from the mastery) he use W and heal some damage back and he survive with 10 hp

And he was having around 2.5k hp

ModAcademy KaynJul 21, 20174 votes

Not to mention he barely made it out alive.

SkiasJul 21, 20171 votes

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Not to mention he barely made it out alive.

after 12 shots. and lux's entire kit.

Mecha IncognitoJul 22, 20173 votes

it was 6 shots though. Also that Lux didn't do any real damage (her ult on the hecarim whilst he was illuminated did what, 300-400 damage?) so I'm gonna assume she was behind here.

If anything I'm surprised he only just got out alive.

DeathBot666Jul 21, 20179 votes

I say we nerf turrets. it's annoying when I tower dive someone when I only have 100 health and can ONLY take like 4 shots.

COBRA C0MM4NDERJul 21, 20177 votes

holy crap. i thought the shots scaled dmg AFTER the second one.

damn these turrets weak as fk.

I liked the laser turrets better.

korg023Jul 22, 20172 votes

Ya, it feels now like the damage doesent even scale after first shot. Turrets literally dael 100 dmg per hit late game, gromp deals more damage.

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20175 votes

Why did you stand still and ult? If you got away from his AA then you might have won.

Also note how he caught you outside of the turret. The turret only started shooting you when you were already at half health.

Also I'm not so sure if his build is what you described based on his level and how many health lines he has.

TrestaniJul 21, 20174 votes

idk why you are getting downvoted, you explained what happened perfectly

Tobias BracknerJul 21, 20173 votes

Because whiners, man.

BrascusJul 22, 20172 votes

People don't like coming to terms with their own mistakes.

RequiemsfireJul 21, 20174 votes

I mean it's hecarim

Sire HippingtonJul 21, 20174 votes

While i wouldn't mind towers offering a bit more protection, atleast early on, I don't think that video is good evidence. Heca had two levels on that lux. IF a jungler is 2 levels ahead of the midlane(actually highest level in the game) at that point, it means he's FED. Also, he does loose about ~60% of his hp to just the tower, and barely gets away with his life in the end. Yes towers should offer protection, but you need to do something yourself aswell. Lux didn't barely take half his hp on her own, towers shouldn't do all for you, they should be about as strong as another champ at that point, and it actually did contribute more damage than that lux that landed all she got. If that Wukong that was doing wraiths duering all that time would have moved his ass 1 screen further, heca would have been a free kill and lux probably would have survived despite heca beeing really fed.

who had only jungle cinderhulk + mercury treads and a long sword NO armor item

He clearly had sheen and phage as he has a speedboost that refeshed on every AA and sheen in his buff bar, and given his lead, i probably even was a finished trinity. Also, tank masteries.

To be honnest, i htink a really fed diver diveing an vulnerable unprotected champion with no flash(atleast she didn't use it, else she'd have survived it) succesfully at post 20 min is totally fine. My only issue with turrents is that i don't feels save under them even as early as lvl 3 vs not fed opponents, because a combo like renekton+elise can easily dive you from ~70%hp at that point. Lee post 6 can just wardhop over a wall, kick you out of your tower and follow with Q...beeing under your tower doesn't feel save even pre 10 min vs any off the early junglers, and that is an issue.

LightIsMyPathJul 21, 20173 votes

Yesterday i got dived by a skarner at Level 3 (!!!) , managed to bind him under turret and he still walked away like nothing happened .-.

TEA Nietzsche Jul 21, 20176 votes

Yeah, nice story.

theyellowflash26Jul 21, 20172 votes

Yeah I can agree with this. I've been in situations where I cc'd people AND used zhonyas and they just stand there waiting for me to become vulnerable again. Another time, I had a Caitlyn with no lifesteal and only like lvl 9-10 just stand under my mid tower autoing me in a team fight (she was def tanking cuz I was watching her health bar), she lived after quite a few shots even tho she should be squishy. Its just ridiculous, she didnt flash or net or anything. Just casually walked out bc her life wasnt even in danger

DurzakaJul 21, 20172 votes

First, that was a terrible example.

Hecarim had 2 levels on that Lux. So that Lux was VERY behind, and Hecarim was fed.

Second, there is literally 0 chance that hecarim only had Cinderhulk and merc treads. he had 2400 hp. Cinderhulk would only bring him to around 2k at level 14.

On top of all of that. He got away with THREE hp. So considering a fed as fuck diver jumped onto a squishy that was very behind and only got away with 3 HP, that is really not that big of a deal.

VigilenteJul 21, 20175 votes

You shouldnt even be bringing up the lux. All that mattered about her was her stun and that doesnt change whatever level she is.

DurzakaJul 21, 20173 votes

what?

The lux completely matters.

If she had been on par with Hecarim, or Hecarim hadnt been so fed, he would have dropped like a fly.

With as behind as she was, she dealt basically no damage to him.

BrascusJul 22, 20172 votes

She rooted him and stood there face tanking everything. This guy left with 1 HP because that Lux can't kite. Not to mention he is ahead of the curve and has begun to outscale the tower like we already know compounded by the fact hecarim scales with levels, he would be dead if he wasn't 4 levels from cap. Not to mention half the damage was dealt outside of turret range.

But ignore all of that, towers are meant to be guardian angels that erase all your bad decisions.

DunkinNoobsJul 22, 20172 votes

There's too much shielding and CC for towers to be good. They need to be divable, and CC and shield creep means towers need to be weaker to compenstate.