Zoe - Yes, Zoe.

JustaNewb··2 votes·470 views

Been meandering around a bit, and noticed a trending argument concerning Zoe:

"Don't get hit by Zoe."

The defense of the sheer damage output of this champion is that she only has one Truly damaging ability. Blatant lie, but, hey... What else does she have, however?

  • Half of a Lich Bane, that Stacks with Lich Bane
  • Summoner Spells on a Stick, plus a MS boost
  • A monsterous True Damage punch if her sleep landed.
  • Warps around basically at will.

I wonder who else has all of their effective damage confined to one ability or another...

Lulu Sona Taric Zilean

So... is she a support? If she is a support, she sure seems to have mammoth damage boosts and capabilities, but not the utility. The reason these others hit so very hard with their one ability is because it is literally all they have to fend off assaults... The rest of their kit is for their team... Zoe is not, really, she amplifies herself, so is she...

An assassin? No, Assassins rely on multiple skills to land to vanish a squishy. Most of them also do not provide themselves with a huge punch of True Damage, plus a very long lasting and lingering CC. The ones who do massive damage in a single whack... have no hard escape mechanism. When they go in, they are in to stay, and generally die after they do their job of removing a carry or two. Zoe does not actually have to be anywhere near the fight... so is she....

An Artillery Mage? No. None of them oneshot, nor do they have the extreme mobility that is built in to her kit. If we gave Artillery Mages this sort of mobility, the game would break in half.


The question here is:

What exactly is this champion supposed to be? I have yet to see an official statement on what class of champion she is. We all know that she is broken in some way, but it might NOT be her damage if she is meant to be a glass cannon assassin... which means her cooldowns are way too low. If she's meant to be a support she does vastly too much damage, and too little for her team. If she's meant to be an Artillery Mage, she is vastly too mobile.

The problem with Zoe is that she seems like someone's pet creation that they are loathe to change, but didn't honestly have a plan for when she was designed.

14 Comments

Hey h0w r ya3 votes

Don't listen to the Zoe "mains" on the boards saying she has only one damage ability.

She has 4

JustaNewb1 votes

Oh, I know, I was merely commenting on their argument to keep her unchanged.

WardBaronFFS3 votes

I think she is a burst mage assassin....Or maybe a battle mage assassin............Maybe a artillery mage assassin, tons of mobility tons of damage and needs only an ability to oen shot

JustaNewb2 votes

At the moment she appears to be a Artillery Mage Assassin Support Cannon.

WardBaronFFS2 votes

Well she has the range of an artillery mage with the cds and the damage of an assassin she doesnt have enough utility to really be a support unless you are counting the W then I guess.....

JustaNewb1 votes

Hard AOE CC tends to be relegated to supports.

Taliyah Rocks2 votes

I don't understand people saying she has mobility? The movement speed buff on her W is all she has, and she doesn't have access to it on demand unless she picked a summoner.

But her ult? It effectively roots her on place and is so easy to abuse. Granted i mostly pick Leblanc vs her, which i feel is a Zoe counter.

I don't know how to classify her, but i'd say she's a "fish" mage (no not like Fizz or Nami). She doesn't do sh*t unless she hits a sleep or a Q, unreliable at best, but overloaded when it does happen. All she does is fish for a E sleep and then all-ins and hope to one-shot.

Plus next patch her waveclear is getting nerfed, so she'll be niche at best.

I still think that she's too easy to counter, i have yet to see one of those famous Zoe "one shots" that everyone keeps crying about. But as i said, it might just be my champion pool that is innately strong against her.

Netorare2 votes

Zoe...mobile...what? Her W gives her movement speed only for 1 second(and yes i will ignore the flash) Dont worry she's gonna get nerfed soon but that won't change the fact that people will still whine about her because they dont want to dodge her skill shots and then they wonder why they die and they say she's broken... That shitbag of fizz is the definition of mobile oh boy and he has 2 zhonyas because why not. What other champion has a lich bane ability hmmmm yes viktor. (tbh riot should give us back the old nidalee Q that took half of ur hp if you didn't dodged it, that shit was fun)

JustaNewb1 votes

I admittedly dont have an issue with her dealing as much damage as she does, if the cooldown on that spam was increased.

Kai Guy2 votes

Fizz Ahri Blitzcrank Illaoi Veigar <- all have been "don't get hit by X" Malzahar Chogath <- are don't get hit by X.... on point and clicks. Community's adapted and/or riots tweaked the numbers till its less oppressive. (I'm aware there are folks who will very much disagree with my last statement, to be fair I'm not talking about 100% of playerbase just a majority. I personaly HATE blitz, much more then Zoe. Zoe atleast needs fking items for her Q or to land ERautoQ. blitz is just oh bummer dead cuz he nicked you, regardless of his personal build. Wait did you guys pick morg or a counter? no.. bummer.)

Folks just get darn impatient about things they don't enjoy.

JustaNewb1 votes

I think it's her cooldowns, honestly, that get to me. It's easy to dodge, but landing 1 out of 10 kills you.

Ayanami3rd1 votes

What the champion is supposed to be? Garbage design.

JustaNewb1 votes

What confuses me is how much this is being down voted... this isn't exactly a "Zoe is OP!!!" rant... just stating that in one area or another she needs fairly serious work, and the area depends on what she is intended to be.

Fewnomial1 votes

My comment here is not in favor of or against the statement that "Zoe is designed properly."

However, the above argument essentially says "The design of Zoe is bad/flawed because it doesn't precisely fit any known class of champion." This would be akin to saying a movie is terrible because it's not exactly a single movie genre.

The final statement could still be true. Zoe could be have been envisioned to work and her design could be flawed. But that should be independent of currently existing classes.

First Remark: designers consider Zoe a burst mage https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/10/champion-roadmap-october-2017/)

Second Remark: a related article lists a number of champions with "Unique Playstyles" who don't belong to a single (sub)class: Azir, Cho'Gath, Fiddlesticks, Gangplank, Graves, Mini Gnar, Heimerdinger, Kayle, Kennen, Nidalee, Quinn, Singed, Teemo, Urgot, and Zilean. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses

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