Dear Riot: Guinsoo's Rageblade crowd's out other build paths for hybrid champions

Novellae·12/3/2015, 1:57:45 AM·1 votes·1,312 views
Gold efficiency

item 3124 is 205.13% Gold efficient at max stacks. (This is ignoring the fact it does AoE and has pushing power)

This is quite literally the best possible buy a melee champ with AD/AP ratios can make, ESPECIALLY if that champ has an auto attack reset or a second worth of CC (Here's looking at you Jax ).

And while item 3146 sits at 121.03% gold efficiency, item 3124 does more burst/sustained damage and is bought at 2800g, while item 3146 costs 3400 (a whole 1200 gold more).

A champ with PERFECT 100% CS by 10 minutes, with no other kills or assists, will have 3317 gold (3817 if you including starting 500). Yes, that means unless you start an item specifically to build into item 3146 , without a kill or assist it is impossible to have item 3146 with perfect cs @10 minutes.

Meanwhile, without perfect CS or assists/kills, You can still somewhat easily build item 3124 , an item that is 84.1% more stat efficient than item 3146 AND scales into mid/late game much more effectively.

So yes, while you have helped hybrid champs have a viable build path, it is a single item. Just 1. They either build item 3124 , or fall behind champs with dedicated AP or AD scaling.

As far as I know from your stance on items Riot, it is "We like items to feel powerful, but at the same time we do not want that item to crowd out other item choices."

You made a powerful and fun item for hybrid champs(item 3124). Now balance the item costs for hybrid focused items so that they can have choices.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this! I appreciate it!

(Also, could you please do something with item 3091 . Like, it is just such a niche pick that people will almost always buy item 3102 item 3139 item 3156 item 3065 or just about any MR item instead.)

TL;DR : item 3124 is the best item in game. Always pick item 3124 . Never not item 3124 .

18 Comments

Earl Eulrich12/3/2015, 1:59:12 AM3 votes

the problem is that even if you nerf rageblade to shambles there is no other buildpath for hybrids...rageblade and gunblade are pretty much the only hybrid items now (trinity had been before the horrible changes, nashors and wit´s end are somewhat hybridy but more niche).

dangopee12/3/2015, 2:05:17 AM1 votes

I hate that there are like 30 rageblade cheeser champs right now that if ban 3 just 3 more will come out of the wood work to ruin your game. Ban Jax XinZhao Irelia ? Say hello to item 3124 Kayle MasterYi Fizz and even fucking Lulu . Cancer.

Irelia Bot12/3/2015, 2:12:38 AM1 votes

I guess I'll just post this since it is relevant to the concept of hybrid itemization.

And Yes I did try to make it is a fairly balanced concept based on the date it was last edited. And yes some of the items stated for the build pat are no longer in the game.

Yes it is a post that is over three years old.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2277069

je7t12/3/2015, 3:01:04 AM1 votes

Don't wanna be that guy but 3400-2800 is 600

Rebonack12/3/2015, 4:34:36 AM1 votes

The hell are you talking about?

Since Trinity got remade there are only two hybrid items. If anything, Rageblade should be balanced as the hybrid version of item 3089 and item 3031 'n should have a price-point to match. You buy Rageblade and then buy AP and AD as needed. Rageblade's OnHit is your multiplicative stat.

Paroe12/3/2015, 10:13:21 PM1 votes

So the fact rageblade costs 2950, making it a big ticket item, doesnt matter at this point? Honestly if you wanted to "nerf" rageblade, make its build path different.

Tiamat+needlessly large rod +gold= 3200 rageblade with a decent build path.

if tiamat still had its cleave, this would be a phenominal biuld path....

xxxDogmanxxx1/7/2016, 3:11:22 PM1 votes

I wish they would just add a stupid Dagger or two to the thing's recipe to make the build path more viable and to show that the attack speed you get actually comes from something instead of out of nowhere. Right now, if you actually like the Blasting Wand component, great, Rageblade still costs 1075 gold just to build. If you don't like the Blasting Wand, then tough luck, you basically have to sit on 1925 gold while out in lane or jungle just to get something out of your Pickaxe. It's even worse than farming for that first BF Sword.