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Tank Assassins are Anti-Fun for gameplay

Novellae·3/14/2016, 4:27:11 AM·9 votes·2,329 views

I actually started writing a rant about what is wrong with this playstyle, but then I thought "ya know, I think everyone already knows how utter bulls---- it is."

Fighting an assasin with a billion mobility tools that just auto attacks you to death is not fun to fight. In fact, it is pretty damn boring for both players.

>" becomes a design issue when the 'anti-fun' created on your use of a mechanic is greater than your fun in using the mechanic"

> http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=293417

Riot, you have a design issue. I'd love to know if you guys are working on it.

EDIT: Wow, didn't realize people had trouble understanding what tank assassins are.

That build things like:

Go on try it, you'll understand what I mean.

They literally just build tank and abuse the utility in their kits to stand on someone and auto attack them to death.

And it is not baseless. Just a few weeks ago in Korea Tank Akali was one of the top pick/ban champs in the game. We just saw a tank zed with over 3k health in LCS yesterday.

When these assasins who were designed to 100-0 enemies have had their play patterns so destroyed that they need to build pure tank items to be viable, something is wrong with the game.

35 Comments

SP Dodgecity3/14/2016, 4:38:43 AM7 votes

Like that moment a full tank Malphite ults burst you instantly down to 10hp or death... DX item 3070

Nyhver3/14/2016, 4:53:46 AM6 votes

Honestly most league champions are boring, linear and not very fun to play as or against due to a lack of meaning outplay/interaction

The assassin that gets a bad reputation for pressing buttons and killing is just as dumb as most other league fighters, tanks that press buttons and kill or zone out just like fed ADCs that cause a bunch of damage and kill

Salron3/14/2016, 5:34:11 AM3 votes

Current itemization is just straight up broken Shit like Titanic Elo shouldn't exist

Mr Broken Wings3/14/2016, 5:40:41 AM3 votes

Fun fact: People also cried about squishy assasins doing their job. Changing itemization wont stop the people from bitching about these champs because they are strong in 1 v 1 szenarios, and people tend to think this game is 1 v 1 ( especially in lower elo). But yeah, current bruiser tank things like fiora shouldnt exist in this game.

LankPants3/14/2016, 10:59:25 AM2 votes

I actually started writing a rant about what is wrong with this playstyle, but then I thought "ya know, I think everyone already knows how utter bulls---- it is."

Personally I'd disagree with this. I'd always prefer to play against a bruiser (which seems to be what you mean) than an assassin. Against a brusher who's dealing DPS you always have a chance to react.

Most assassins just burst you out without really giving that much time to react. Overall I'd say this is considerably worse to have to play against.

I say bring the "Tank Assassins". It's considerably more fun overall to have bruisers than assassins, at least I think so.

Evewynn3/14/2016, 5:31:52 AM1 votes

I thought this was going to be a thread about graves..

Tobias Brackner3/14/2016, 5:18:24 AM1 votes

Tank Assassins?

Astôlfo3/14/2016, 1:00:02 PM1 votes

Oh look! It's another salty overgeneralistic baseless QQ thread! Man, I love them too! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Novellae3/14/2016, 6:54:08 PM1 votes

Updated for Those who haven't actually seen tank assassins yet.

3TWarrior3/14/2016, 7:02:30 PM1 votes

or, as I pointed out in a thread that I made, something is wrong with how champions and items are interacting

as it is, we can currently build any champion to be a tank...they might not be successful at it, but it keeps them relevant if their kit does enough damage or offers enough

I suggested that it would be better to make items by category instead of the multitudes of hybrid items we have available now and to change champion base stats to better portray their intended role

So that way, if someone wants to build tanky, they can, but it will only mean that they survive longer and not that they're a real threat to the entire team (like yi or udyr or aatrox, etc)

the items would be redone so that they either offer defensive stats or health instead of both and the same apply with offensive items

Squishy assassins and carries...potentially brutally tanky tanks (which is my concern and would have to be addressed) and mildly tanky but not oppressive bruisers with less offense-oriented defensive items

Astôlfo3/14/2016, 7:08:14 PM1 votes

So building Titanic Hydra makes them a tank. Okay. Tank Akali is just one of the new builds that have been out, as opposed to normal Spellvamp or AP/AD/Hybrid builds. Uh, Diana usually goes pure AP. Ekko is generally a safer assassin, but he goes more or less pure AP. Tank Ekko's in the past and gone. Fizz rarely ever builds tank. Kata... are you serious? Kha goes at most 2 (Cleaver + a Hydra). Much tank. Yi, I'll concede that one. Talon? Um... okay, so building one bruiser item makes him a tank. Got it. Zed... are you actually serious. One bruiser item does not make a tank.

Nice job making completely crappy, almost entirely baseless exceptions. Tank Akali's way too far hyped. She drops in damage output a crapton in return for going that tanky. It's just that it's harder to kill her and she still does damage, which builds up, and you all QQ about it anyways. Zed tank isn't even a normal or typically viable build. The only reason it worked was literally because that team already was far ahead to the point it wasn't necessary to go full damage, and so going tank in return for drastically lowered damage was good enough.

Nice job with your... "argument".

Novellae3/14/2016, 7:42:51 PM1 votes

(http://puu.sh/nGvA3/bbd65c6cdc.jpg) (http://puu.sh/nGvEO/ef7a2a0dc1.jpg)

I am a horrible Kat, went against a matchup that is horrible for her, still came out with over 50% kill participation and more damage to champs than jungle ekko and almost as much as one of the top mid lane "Assassins" in the meta atm. Not to mention I was a tank that forced 3 enemy champs to focus me every fight. And that is on one of the shittier tank assassins

Edit: Literally, logged in and played one game just for a proof of concept.

Meep Man3/14/2016, 7:54:48 PM1 votes

Yeah, they are working on it. They have nerfed Titanic on the PBE and have nerfed the key members of the Tank Assassin Squadron.