Dear Riot,
I know you're looking for ways to adjust Ryze so he isn't as broken.
Turn his Rune Prison into a skillshot, problem solved.
He shouldn't be allowed to do all the damage and keep you where he wants you whenever he wants you there all the time.
10110011100012 votesMake it a slightly delayed ground-targeted AoE (not big) so that Ryze can use it as a threat as well, rather than just for "woohoo combo damage inc" shit. A generic snare skillshot would be meh.
Danjeng1 votesSo, pretty much Swain's root? If we follow the skillshot idea, it would be an exact copy of Morg's snare. If we follow yours, it would be the same as Swain's.
There must be some sort of way to make Rune Prison more fair, without taking an ability from someone else's kit. What if Rune Prison had a delay, but also increased in strength for each RUNE he has charged up.
1011001110001 votesA targeted delay root doesn't stop it from being a targeted root. The problem with Ryze and the root is that he can't miss, so it guarantees a large window of damage. And against melee champions, it also means free damage with proportional retaliation.
The problem with roots is there's little variance in ways it can be applied while being fair. You could make Ryze's root a generic skillshot that simply snares everything for a very short amount of time(~0.25-5 sec or something), but the duration significantly increases if that enemy has an e debuff (~1.25s or something). That way Ryze gets rewarded for comboing with his snare, rather than using his snare to always initiate a two-button combo constantly.
How healthy this sort of iteration would be entirely depends on how it affects his laning phase. Being able to snare someone from behind their minion wave is fairly excessive, but targeted hard CC has already proven to be problematic as a design. And I sincerely don't mind if a few champions share fundamental designs in one of their abilities. Having Ryze root just be a smaller Swain root wouldn't be as bad, since a smaller AoE would more emphasize its single-target utility, but having it be a skillshot root (a.k.a Lux, Morg, Zyra, Jhin too?) just starts to get repetitive.
Danjeng2 votesRyze has a 1 second targeted root on a 13 second cooldown. Twisted Fate has a 2 second targeted stun on a 6 second cooldown. Ryze's root is reliable, yet weak compared to other mages CC. It's often exaggerated how powerful it is. It would be incredibly frustrating trying to land abilities against mobile champions, without reliable CC.
For example, take Ahri, who has 3 guarenteed dodges on her ultimate. Without a targeted CC, Ryze simply cannot fight back against her, given that she can easily avoid Ryze's delayed root, which then allows her to avoid his other source of damage: overload. Besides, Ryze is already getting nerfs, this would only set him down even further. I challenge you to play Ryze against Ahri without using Rune prison. It is incredibly difficult to land his Q's, without locking her down first.
A one second, short ranged, single target root on a moderate cooldown is not too extreme. There are other targeted/instant CC which exist in the game (Annie for instance).
1011001110002 votesNo one is exaggerating anything. Ryze's root is so powerful precisely because it is reliable; he can apply his damage without worrying about every coming close to missing. And because his primary damaging ability is also the only skillshot in the deck, having instant CC to make that burst unmissable is ridiculous. Other mages may have better CC, but none of it is targeted (outside of Annie, who's a different problem entirely). Not to mention most other mages have damaging ultimate abilities, whereas Ryze has to make up for that by having competent, more consistent damage combos through basic abilities only.
I also don't understand why you decide to use Ahri, a champion who spits in the face of immobility, as your example of a lane opponent. Her wave clear is abysmal, you don't even need to trade with her unless its reactive trading. Just shove the wave and watch her struggle to keep up or roam because of your stronger wave clear. Careful use of your E and Q can even let you trade with her through the minions in proxy; she won't be allowed near her wave frequently because you can damage her by virtue of minions, not based on whether or not you can root her.
Any Ahri with ult would likely hold her Charm until you root her anyway, simply to screw over your entire combo. The problem for Ryze here is he will get charmed when he roots, which prevents him from applying his damage. Having a bad match-up isn't a bad thing for a champion, it's expected.
And his only nerfs are to the movement speed and shield he gets from consuming 2 Runes. His damage is literally untouched.
If you want to keep his root instant target so much, that's fine.
Danjeng2 votesYou make it seem as if Ryze is overpowered at this moment, or his root is at least. Let me remind you of the horrors of the previous version. This version is nowhere nearly as oppressive as the previous. A delay on the root would make it very clunky to charge up runes. It would make a champion which isn't so hot at the moment, even weaker.
Play five games on Ryze. You will see what I mean. A lot of these suggestions are made by people who hardly understand the champion.
General Esdeath 10 votesIt's 1 second, and if he uses the runes to make it 2, he loses damage. Just get 
Ahristocats5 votesand it has 17 sec cd
General Esdeath 1 votes13 seconds at rank 1*
Ahristocats1 voteswops my bad, but that's still high
what's the cooldown at rank 5?
General Esdeath 1 votes9 seconds with 0 CDR
Supreme Senpai695 votesIf they make it a skillshot then they need to increase its range. Point and click snares absolutely need to leave this game, but at the same time, he would quite literally never land it. If you see a Ryze walking up to you, and he isn't low HP by the time he snares you, then you're doing it wrong. Also, if you see him walking up to you, you can walk away. I agree Ryze's rune prison is stupid but this suggestion isn't really that well-thought out honestly. It's one of the most telegraphed things in the entire game and essential to his combo.
tl;dr yes but then he'd need compensation buffs.
DJMason884 votes
Supreme Senpai692 votesFair, but what I said is still true
BakedLotion3 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lbph0wOH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-22T23:28:26.770+0000)
If they make it a skillshot then they need to increase its range. Point and click snares absolutely need to leave this game, but at the same time, he would quite literally never land it. If you see a Ryze walking up to you, and he isn't low HP by the time he snares you, then you're doing it wrong. Also, if you see him walking up to you, you can walk away. I agree Ryze's rune prison is stupid but this suggestion isn't really that well-thought out honestly. It's one of the most telegraphed things in the entire game and essential to his combo.
tl;dr yes but then he'd need compensation buffs.
Point and click CC keeps this hyper mobility meta in check. They're needed.
I don't even know where all this ryze crying is coming from. His winrate and performance is garbage.
Cynical Rain5 votesI'd agree, only if they're all pass-through or ground-targeted skillshots, including Q. A long time ago, before Ryze was changed, I always thought I'd enjoy him more if his skills were skillshots. Then Q happened, and I hate it. Having both Q and W be able to be blocked by minions/tanks is a horrible idea.
Leetri5 votesEarlier this year everyone were complaining like crazy about Riot removing Taric's point and click stun and how "they turn everything into skillshots so there's no counter to mobility" and now we want to remove even more of them? It's interesting how the boards flip back and forth on everything.
Boiled Triangles13 votesIt's almost like there's a variety of opinions in the community, and not just one consensus.
Surfer Ashe4 votesTired of this argument.
If it ends up on the front page (especially gameplay, since that is the most spammed/frequented sub), then it is the general agreement of the community, seeing as all contrary opinions are also downvoted so hard they might as well not exist.
Seeing that Taric thread getting +s up the ass and now this, it's the community being fickle and contradictory. Not just "oh a few people have differing opinions" this is a sizeable sample
Requiemsfire3 votesIt's not contradiction, it's opinion, the community is not one giant entity but a collective of individuals, at any one time a thread might receive hundreds of up-votes from people who do agree but then a similar thread will pop about the exact opposite and receive a very similar number of people who agree.
Surfer Ashe6 votesI'd be inclined to agree if it wasn't for the fact that any contrary opinion is downvoted for going against the hivemind of boards.
Boiled Triangles3 votesThat's not how it works, it's a bit more complicated than that. For instance, it's generally more likely that a person will upvote things they agree with than downvote things they agree with. I guess that would contradict your statement but I honestly never see that happen (unless it's someone defending an obnoxious champion).
Surfer Ashe5 votesConsider the following then - most people have an indifferent stance based on certain mechanics and couldn't care less either way it is (eg point and click CC vs skillshot CC in this case) and will just upvote whatever is popular.
Which can explain why Boards seem to be inconsistent in what stance they take on it and hence spawn comments like what is in the OP of this thread chain. It's a bit different than just "differing opinions because we're individuals" since the voting system shows what the community wants as a whole.
tl:dr sheep mentality. It isn't differing opinion, it's people just wanting to fit in with whatever outrage is popular.
LordOfTheLeague2 votesCounter to mobility should be tied to tanks and support champions as it's their job to disrupt.
I imagine the problem with taric and point and click base skills stuns is that it's not a counter but more or less an hardcounter.
For ryze as a burst dps champ he shouldn't have this targeted skill.
50000000000000004 votesIs that really the problem? We really need some sort of instant hard CC in the game.
Limrick4 votesWe do, but it doesn't seem to work to also have it on a mage that instantly vaporizes anyone he can get to.
Matezoide3 votesWe do, but Riot is clearly too incompentent to balance it properly. Every single time Ryze gets a rework, that snare turns out to be a problem somehow.
TFBaam3 votesthe root isnt the issue, IDK if u know this but EQ makes the Q do + 100% of dmg, which means practically 2 Q at the same time
Ahristocats4 votesunlike previous versions, ryze can't reduce the cd of his W
his current problem isn't his snare, people are just imagining things
WoonStruck3 votesA better option would be to tweak E.
Higher mana cost, lower range, lower projectile speed,** higher CD**, etc.
sit kid8 votesStill doesn't fix the "run at your face, snare you, kill you" problem
WoonStruck2 votesMakes him a lot weaker early, which can easily solve the 'kill you' part at a given time in the game.
I do feel like in his next inevitable rework he should lose the snare, though. No other high DPS 'mage' has non-ult CC. And for good reason.
sit kid4 votesIt would end up being a straight up nerf to ryze, lowering his winrate and solo queue performance by even more though.
Adding a skillshot would increase counterplay , but also reward ryze players as well of punishing enemies not paying attention
I do feel like in his next inevitable rework he should lose the snare, though. No other high DPS 'mage' has non-ult CC. And for good reason.
There actually is, and a lot of mages actually have it. Velkoz E, Xerath E, Syndra E, Viktor W, Sol Q and so on. The only difference is thet it isn't point-click CC.
If Velkoz just could click on you, he could line up his abilities and kill you so much easier, and that is what is happening ty ryze now. Lack of counterplay to his CC
God Raijin2 voteswell adding a skill shot would also be a straight up nerf to ryze, also lowering his winrate and solo queue preformance. I mean come one, unless a Skill-shot rune prison had like a 3000 missile speed he would become completely trash and unplayable
sit kid1 votesImplying that he isnt trash already?
all 3 versions of ryze have maintained the point-click root, and have been unsucessful.
Making it a skillshot (so it possibly also could hit mutlible people, allow longer range?)
Toastersaot3 votesImplying that he isnt trash already?
all 3 versions of ryze have maintained the point-click root, and have been unsucessful.
Making it a skillshot (so it possibly also could hit mutlible people, allow longer range?)
He's good if the player is good at him, which has applied to both, or three, or liquid versions of Ryze (I've lost count), His skill cap is in lightning fast combos, and now proper use of the ult.
WoonStruck3 votesI said "high DPS mage", not just "mage".
ChaoticPinecone2 votesI do feel like in his next inevitable rework he should lose the snare, though. No other high DPS 'mage' has non-ult CC. And for good reason.
Well, first of all - all mages have burst. So even "DPS" mages like Ryze are still bursty. But for some that are on the slower-tier of burst, have low amounts of upfront burst, have DoT abilities, or autoattack-modifiers coupled with non-ult CC
TFBaam2 votes
Zero Skill Tank3 votesMy only issue with new ryze is how tanky he gets with his itemization and shield, while also getting super waveclear and damage. Point and click root is not a problem in itself when it's short-ranged and single-target.
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesOld Ryze was tankier, with Spell Vamp to boot.
morris12 votesI'm also not saying his old waveclear compares with the new one, but with how low of a cooldown his ult had you could use it to clear every other wave and get back half of your health.
khorney3 votesI agree every other champ that has a similar spell are skill shots. Morgana lux
Melledoneus3 votesI'm pretty sure increasing the cast time slightly would help.
Cowseed3 votesDo you people post these complaints in coordination? Because Akali is so HOT posted about the same issue.... the exact same time as you.
This could be looked at yes but I had to point this out. :^p
Matake2 votesBetter idea? Flash out of range. That's Rito's own advice for countering Camille's ult.
Troll for Trump2 votesOn one hand, it's toxic for nonflashy things, but on the other hand, it puts a damper on the LeeSin/Yas/Riven/assassins.
It's necessary to have ways to punish the overloaded kits of today. It hurts more for those with balanced kits.
But the same applies to comparing overloaded champs with balanced champs.
It's necessary to keep overloadedness in control until they rework the mess of a champ that are things like Yas.
Kmanfk3r1 votesHis q is already hard enough to land. Make his only form of cc a skillshot and you just nerfed ryze, making his winrate even worse. Congrats.
Who Man1 votesHis q is already hard enough to land. Make his only form of cc a skillshot and you just nerfed ryze, making his winrate even worse. Congrats.
how do you come out of the woodwork and comment on a year old post like it refers to the current meta.
The number of reworks they've given to ryze and his unstoppable winrate (AT THE TIME) begged for some sort of nerf on ryze - which riot eventually gave in terms of damage on his abilities.
for sure right now he's doing terribly.
