In what category does Jayce fall into ?

Angelofchaos16x··2 votes·927 views

He is considered a Fighter/Marksmen , but we know that he is not a marksmen, since he was not even mentioned during their recent update , and the item update kinda messed around with him (Rip Brutalizer). So he is a fighter, but most of the item goes glass cannon, so would make him a light fighter along with the likes of Fiora and GP ? Is he in a separate class ?

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Critmaster Garen3 votes

he falls into the broken category.

the moment you buff him to be good enough to compete, hell be too good. hes a champion with 2 kits. means the only way not to be op, is when the individual kits are weak enough to not compare to more specialized champions.

but then if you want a ranged champ you rather go with a marksman or mage who are stronger than him in ranged form. if you want a melee champ you rather go with a fighter whos much stronger in melee.

if he could compare to a marksman at range and a fighter at melee, he would be unfair. its kindof the problem with these jack of all trades champions. its almost impossible to get them into a spot where theyre balanced.

ive seen this in my time playing wow, when they tried balancing druids and shamans. they never managed to hit the spot where theyre balanced. theyre either weaker than more specialized champs in their respective roles and outshined to not be pickworthy, or theryre too good at everything.

Smitemuffin1 votes

Trash. Jayce's current category is "trash"

Angelofchaos16x1 votes

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Trash. Jayce's current category is "trash"

I think that Jayce will, until properly addressed always be either too strong or too weak, due to the fact that he "borrows" items from other classes, so if one class has a major change, it affects Jayce, even if he is not effectively in that certain class

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

well hes an ad-caster

Angelofchaos16x1 votes

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well hes an ad-caster

So are many other champions, but none of them seem to have the same problem as Jayce, and if they do , its not the same level of crisis (Except mid lane Varus, that pretty much share a build with Jayce )

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

all of them have the same problem as jayce.

varus still has much better itemization options than jayce and his main problem is that he doesnt benefit from the new masteries at all so his damage is much lower than last season.

the one suffering the most, even more than jayce, is pantheon. he has literally not a single item that doesnt waste stats for him.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

He's an AD mage. Riot's tags seem to assume only AP champions can be mages, but Jayce plays and feels like a mage. The one difference is he builds AD instead of AP.

Vesarixx2 votes

GP would fit into this category too, usually they're just called AD casters though rather than mages.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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GP would fit into this category too, usually they're just called AD casters though rather than mages.

I know, but following Riot's tags, mage is the one that fits the most.

Vesarixx1 votes

Riots categories are pretty limited, Bruisers, Melee ADC and AD casters are all just grouped under the fighter tag, even aggro tanks are lumped in with them. Utility mages are grouped in with nuke mages and control mages. Engage tanks and disengage tanks aren't separated. And the support tag contains tanks, all different kinds mof mages, fighters, it was even applied to an assassin at one point. The assassin role is pretty strange as well, Xerath and Malzahar both have the tag even though they have no mobiliy, while Diana has mage as a secondary instead of assassin.

Vesarixx1 votes

Jayce is a bit of a hybrid class, in ranged form he can fill the role of a marksman or ranged AD caster, in melee form he fills the role of a fighter/melee ADC. If you're looking for items to build on Jayce then the new Essence Reaver is amazing on him, AD, CDR and even some crit.

Teridax681 votes

He's both a fighter and a marksman, though he isn't really that good at either role, which is one of the reasons why he doesn't shine as much as he should. He's probably most similar to GP in that he likes to build a fair bit of damage and survive in the front lines without outright blocking everything coming his way a la Fiora/Yasuo, but his dual kit makes it difficult to give him meaningful weaknesses in either form, since he can swap out at will. Rito hasn't touched him during the marksman update likely because he isn't a "full" marksman, and if he wants to keep his dual identity he likely needs to do something that justifies it, instead of just dipping a little into both roles without committing to either.

The Deckowner1 votes

i consider him an ad caster similar to gp

AL0001 votes

he is not fighter... all jay players play it as adc... and his job is dps and kiting them...

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