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RIOT just officially announced that solo queue wont be coming back.

Shac Norris··9 votes·1,142 views

But, we know a lot of things that can be solved with iterative improvements, and our current top three priorities are improving the solo player experience against premades... ... In reality, we’re not making a call on solo queue because there are some critical issues we need to fix in dynamic queue to understand what’s actually missing. Promising solo queue in our original announcement was premature ... ... ...however, we do want to be clear: we believe that dynamic queue is closer to representing a healthy, competitive landscape in League of Legends than solo/duo queue...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/announcements/riot-pls-dynamic-queue-sandbox-and-league-2016

I think it's pretty official that Riot won't be giving us a solo queue now.

They want to ''improve the solo player experience against premades'', which gives us a big hint that they have no intention to just make a queue where solo players can actually have fun. They wish to try and make the ''solo experience'' something tolerable, which is just bullshit and you all know it.

They're trying to justify why they won't be returning solo queue.

They think their fucking Dynamic queue is the lord and savior of this game, i'm starting to see the more as Blizzard rather than RIOT GAMES

#YouThinkYouDoButYouDont

27 Comments

archerno110 votes

I personally think they gave good explanation. They are trying to improve Dynamic queue and their reasons for that are good. Instead of focusing on individual skill, focus on ability to work in team environment. Their reasoning is good, and i believe its good for game that it focuses on playing with other people rather than playing alone.

Shac Norris5 votes

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I personally think they gave good explanation. They are trying to improve Dynamic queue and their reasons for that are good. Instead of focusing on individual skill, focus on ability to work in team environment. Their reasoning is good, and i believe its good for game that it focuses on playing with other people rather than playing alone.

There was ranked 5s for that last season. I don't play with 4-5 friends every single fucking game, nor do i want to.

Riot trying to shove the ''play with friends or gtfo'' notion just makes me sick. I've thought about a ranked queue where you could play with 3-4 people instead of just 2 or 5 (teams) in the past year (before dynamic queue was even a thing) and i had come to the conclusion that it would suck for all the solo players out there. And after a year all RIOT's done was prove me right.

LeBlanc Jameś1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLBWqLpB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T16:54:15.982+0000)

There was ranked 5s for that last season. I don't play with 4-5 friends every single fucking game, nor do i want to.

Riot trying to shove the ''play with friends or gtfo'' notion just makes me sick. I've thought about a ranked queue where you could play with 3-4 people instead of just 2 or 5 (teams) in the past year (before dynamic queue was even a thing) and i had come to the conclusion that it would suck for all the solo players out there. And after a year all RIOT's done was prove me right.

Get some friends or GTFO then. Simple.

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLBWqLpB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T16:54:15.982+0000)

There was ranked 5s for that last season. I don't play with 4-5 friends every single fucking game, nor do i want to.

Riot trying to shove the ''play with friends or gtfo'' notion just makes me sick. I've thought about a ranked queue where you could play with 3-4 people instead of just 2 or 5 (teams) in the past year (before dynamic queue was even a thing) and i had come to the conclusion that it would suck for all the solo players out there. And after a year all RIOT's done was prove me right.

See, do you see what you are saying? They try to force u into something? Riot created this game, they made is as successful as it is. Their choices and decisions made it this way. Every decision they made carried some risk. They dont force you to do anything. This is how they want THEIR OWN GAME to be. If you dont like it , guess what? Dont play it. Its free game. And believe me, if Riot didnt know what they are doing, they wouldnt be as successful as they are atm. Do you see how gaming evolved? Do you see how popular single player games are now? They are taking over multiplayer. There are many games u can play if u wanna play alone.

Shac Norris4 votes

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See, do you see what you are saying? They try to force u into something? Riot created this game, they made is as successful as it is. Their choices and decisions made it this way. Every decision they made carried some risk. They dont force you to do anything. This is how they want THEIR OWN GAME to be. If you dont like it , guess what? Dont play it. Its free game. And believe me, if Riot didnt know what they are doing, they wouldnt be as successful as they are atm. Do you see how gaming evolved? Do you see how popular single player games are now? They are taking over multiplayer. There are many games u can play if u wanna play alone.

I happen to enjoy playing this game, and seeing it get worse and worse everyday is something that I, as a player, do not like. And players happen to be what makes LOL even a thing, Players are what are giving them money, and if the players are disatisfied by their product, then it is their right to ask the company to give them something better.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLBWqLpB,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-15T17:20:19.661+0000)

I happen to enjoy playing this game, and seeing it get worse and worse everyday is something that I, as a player, do not like. And players happen to be what makes LOL even a thing, Players are what are giving them money, and if the players are disatisfied by their product, then it is their right to ask the company to give them something better.

And considering that they still get alot of money that means that majority is satisfied.

Shac Norris4 votes

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And considering that they still get alot of money that means that majority is satisfied.

They make their money on skins. It means that the artists are doing their job right and delivering quality content that players actually like. RIOT probably lost alot of players because of their crap, even professional players are saying that solo queue needs to come back. I havn't heard a single one of them say that solo queue isn't needed.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLBWqLpB,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T17:25:49.925+0000)

They make their money on skins. It means that the artists are doing their job right and delivering quality content that players actually like. RIOT probably lost alot of players because of their crap, even professional players are saying that solo queue needs to come back. I havn't heard a single one of them say that solo queue isn't needed.

Well, i personally like Dynamic queue alot. I prefer playing with friends than alone. I wouldnt play this game if i played it alone. Where is fun in that?

As for your comment about professional players. Its true, they are affected by it. Do you know why? Cause they can in theory face some of those LCS teams. Only they are really affected by it. But since Riot is working on solving that issue,they will make sure that doesnt happen.

Shac Norris4 votes

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Well, i personally like Dynamic queue alot. I prefer playing with friends than alone. I wouldnt play this game if i played it alone. Where is fun in that?

As for your comment about professional players. Its true, they are affected by it. Do you know why? Cause they can in theory face some of those LCS teams. Only they are really affected by it. But since Riot is working on solving that issue,they will make sure that doesnt happen.

You're wrong. They're facing players around the same skill level as they are, but since they're all talking to each others, they have more coordination and thus way higher chances of winning against solo players.

As for playing alone, i usually play with a friend, but people who play solo arn't rare at all. Take me for example, I have fun playing alone, but i enjoy it equally if i'm playing with a friend. In my opinion, if you can't even enjoy a game without a friend to entertain you, then you might not really be liking the game, right?

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLBWqLpB,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T18:13:07.299+0000)

You're wrong. They're facing players around the same skill level as they are, but since they're all talking to each others, they have more coordination and thus way higher chances of winning against solo players.

As for playing alone, i usually play with a friend, but people who play solo arn't rare at all. Take me for example, I have fun playing alone, but i enjoy it equally if i'm playing with a friend. In my opinion, if you can't even enjoy a game without a friend to entertain you, then you might not really be liking the game, right?

Have u played with big premade? You think they are at advantage? Do you know what happens when 3-4 similar skilled player play together? They all think they are best and try to tell other what to do, they are conflicted and mostly fail. And once they fail they blame each other or in drastic cases unfortunate people who arent premade with them. But bellow master/challenger, premades have almost no advantage. Also dont tell me that i am wrong because u disagree with my opinion, everyone has right on opinion, u have yours and i respect it. I am not saying you are right or wrong, but i agree with Riot that its better for game to focus on playing with people you know. BUT I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE THING. I went through years of World of Warcraft. I know raiding alone (its called PUG) is hell and its much better to play with people u know (guild). And not just raiding. Battleground too (its PVP). it was always better to play with friends and much more fun than playing alone. Thats my perspective.

Shac Norris4 votes

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Have u played with big premade? You think they are at advantage? Do you know what happens when 3-4 similar skilled player play together? They all think they are best and try to tell other what to do, they are conflicted and mostly fail. And once they fail they blame each other or in drastic cases unfortunate people who arent premade with them. But bellow master/challenger, premades have almost no advantage.

I've never seen that happen tbh, i think it must really happen mostly in low elo, but plat+ is where people actually start getting really good at the game. And tbh, having just 1 decent shotcaller in a team can drastically change the course of a game.

Have you noticed how practically every premade complains threads are made by plat+ players? Pretty sure that's where the problem begins.

R31W1NG2 votes

the fact many pre-mades have voip... makes you so incredibly wrong.

Lazypeon1005 votes

"In an ideal (and optimistic) world, getting these numbers right would make a second queue unnecessary, but it’s not something we’re dismissing as of yet."

Why are you leaving that out...?

Shac Norris3 votes

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"In an ideal (and optimistic) world, getting these numbers right would make a second queue unnecessary, but it’s not something we’re dismissing as of yet."

Why are you leaving that out...?

Them ''dismissing'' solo queue would probably cause the boards to go ape shit. So they'll leave it like they left sandbox mode. ''maybe''

And now they're trying to damage control saying that they might maybe build sandbox mode. Just fuck them.

Lazypeon1006 votes

You're twisting words and spreading rumors to fit your narrative.

I think you have a right to be mad about solo queue being gone this long with no explanation until now. I don't think you have a right to spread rumors on the boards and purposefully leave out important information. The context is very important.

Shac Norris3 votes

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You're twisting words and spreading rumors to fit your narrative.

I think you have a right to be mad about solo queue being gone this long with no explanation until now. I don't think you have a right to spread rumors on the boards and purposefully leave out important information. The context is very important.

''spreading rumors''

I'll come back to this post in 2 years. If solo queue is released by then i'm giving you 100$ through paypal. Add me IG.

It's fucking OBVIOUS that riot doesn't want to give us solo queue back. Why cant you see it? They even HAD to come up with sandbox mode to calm people down, and notice how they posted this article AFTER the heat wave passed and the Dynamic Queue loyalists started getting more upvotes than solo queue loyalists? It's just a fucking marketting strategy.

The only reason that they're not officially cancelling solo queue is because alot of people would quit playing this game.

Lazypeon1002 votes

I never claimed that they would or wouldn't add it. You're making the claim that solo queue is officially never coming back. which is not what they have said or even implied.

And please. Solo queue threads get upvoted all the time on these boards. I'm not talking about loyalists or which is better. I happened to enjoy solo queue more. But you are lying to the community right now.

Could you be right? Sure, Riot said that themselves. That they want dynamic to be a queue where solo players will be happy too. If they fail on that, fhey are open to having solo queue.

Shac Norris3 votes

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I never claimed that they would or wouldn't add it. You're making the claim that solo queue is officially never coming back. which is not what they have said or even implied.

And please. Solo queue threads get upvoted all the time on these boards. I'm not talking about loyalists or which is better. I happened to enjoy solo queue more. But you are lying to the community right now.

Could you be right? Sure, Riot said that themselves. That they want dynamic to be a queue where solo players will be happy too. If they fail on that, fhey are open to having solo queue.

RIOT has always shoved their crap down out throats, even when the whole god damn player base said that the said thing would be crap.

Remember Morde? Remember Xin? Remember Sejuani? Skarner? The support s5 update?

Those are just 3 examples which the WHOLE community didn't want. And they still went on with it. What happened? Morde basically got reworked a second time (he probably wouldn't have been if not for Malicious Metal getting upvotes like crazy), Xin got nerfed right after his buff, Sejuani isn't even fucking played anymore, even though i was always playing her at some point, I was so excited about the Skarner update, then he turned out to be super OP, then they nerfed him hard and now Skarner is just shit and unviable, And the supports can ONLY be in the support role now, while mid laners can fill the support position just as good and still be better.

Sure, it may not be ''official'', but i think with everything they've said, and taking in consideration what has happened lately, then it's pretty accurate to say that they're never going to put solo queue back in the game. But you're also right, there's a really small chance that i'm wrong and that they will give what half of their player base actually want.

Lazypeon1001 votes

Remember skarner when they listened to the player base and he was legitimately OP for a few days til he was hotfixed?

What S5 support update? I remember way back in S3 when support gold items and sight stone were added.

Supports are normally kept to their role because they become obnoxious when they do well in other roles. Remember battle raka? Can't milk those cow going too or jungle? Lulu who is considered to be a troll support pick by some players now even though she was always meant to be a support?

I remember Sejauni being absurdly OP (like all of the tanks at the time with cinderhulk) and she eas nerfed. So was cinderhulk. I'm not claiming riot is perfect. But even in your latest post you have admitted solo queue could come back. All I'm saying is your original claim, that solo queue is "officially dead" is wrong.

Shac Norris3 votes

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Remember skarner when they listened to the player base and he was legitimately OP for a few days til he was hotfixed?

What S5 support update? I remember way back in S3 when support gold items and sight stone were added.

Supports are normally kept to their role because they become obnoxious when they do well in other roles. Remember battle raka? Can't milk those cow going too or jungle? Lulu who is considered to be a troll support pick by some players now even though she was always meant to be a support?

I remember Sejauni being absurdly OP (like all of the tanks at the time with cinderhulk) and she eas nerfed. So was cinderhulk. I'm not claiming riot is perfect. But even in your latest post you have admitted solo queue could come back. All I'm saying is your original claim, that solo queue is "officially dead" is wrong.

My bad, it was s4 (support update, where they nerfed every support's base ability damages and scalings).

They have a balance team, players wanted skarner buffs, balance team didn't balance anything, and then they nerfed him to shit. Not the community's fault.

RIOT said that they weren't enforcing the meta, and still say it, yet they nerfed the damage of supports such as Nami and Janna by a third. (enforcing them in the support role) Now they made it so that everybody HAS to build tanky to even have a chance.

Sejuani was nerfed because of cinderhulk, then cinderhulk was nerfed, then Sejuani was nerfed again. And she never got her original damage back, now she has to rely on her W to deal damage, because her Q deals shit damage. 0 skills required.

As for the ''not official'' statement, it seems like you havn't taken in consideration what i said right after.

''Sure, it may not be ''official'', but i think with everything they've said, and taking in consideration what has happened lately, then it's pretty accurate to say that they're never going to put solo queue back in the game.''

Lazypeon1001 votes

As I said, supports are kept to the support role because they are horriblly obnoxious when they are good elsewhere. I don't think champions like janna SHOULD have good damage. I remember when I could easily go mid janna, wave clear with tornado and sit under tower while my enemy couldn't do anything. That's not exactly fun for either player.

Again, I pretty much agree that Sejauni was over nerfed. I disagree about Skarner. Riot listened to the community and he was released as a monster.

Those are all from the balance team. They aren't the same team that decides whether or not solo queue becomes a thing again or not, and they aren't even on topic.

I didn't miss what you said. You're correcting your statement, because the OP has it out where Riot made a claim which they didn't. I also just disagree with your assessment. I don't think Riot is doing a bad job, and I still enjoy the game. To me this seems more about you not trusting Riot, at which point why are you still playing their game?

Any company I dislike, I try to actively avoid using their products, even if I happen to enjoy the product itself. It's why I won't play any EA games, won't eat at chik fila, etc.

I think if you want to remain credible, you should edit your OP at least.

Shac Norris3 votes

If Janna's tornado did as much damage as an ahri Q, it would probably be balanced. Considering how you have to let it charge 3 seconds to chunk 50 hp off an adc (because if you don't it wont go further than Ahri's Q does, and it deals ~10 dmg).

I don't really see why you would not agree with my Skarner statement, they have balance teams for a reason, there's no way they just let the community dictate the numbers and didn't verify them, alot of people complained on PBE that he was too strong as well, and they waited 1-2 days before hotfixing it, after its release.

I used to play Nami mid a bit, it was fun to be honest, then they reduced her W's damage and scaling and her Q's damage and scaling. Now she's just useless mid lane.

I do agree that nobody should play anything that EA releases. Those fuckers ruined Battlefront, which i intended to spam space conquests in. And keep downgrading their games at every big release.

And also, RIOT gets money from skins, i've stopped buying RP since mid S4. Not giving money to a company who keeps making bad choices and ruining champs that i've had so much fun with.

As for Riot doing a good job, i absolutly hate the tank meta, it prevents me from playing my favorite champion, AP Shaco (i have 350k mastery playing him almost entirely AP), effectively. I also hate what they did to AP Miss Fortune, reducing her E's base damage without buffing her AP scaling were a dick move from them. It shows that they don't like it when players play outside the box.

And tbh, this whole season looks like it was designed to shit on my main. Pink ward cost reduced, FREE ''red trinket'' that renders my boxes completly useless for 10 seconds (even though it can take up to a minute to set them up, which puts you even more behind) They fixed the problem with blue/red/baron buff showing on clones, yet DRAGON buff which stays permanently isn't showing on any clone. They refuse to even answer why Shaco's boxes arn't procing FQC or TDL.

There's some bugs with champions that have been there for years and Riot's not fixing them, they're not even answering them. Like for my main, again, Shaco. (he has a 1k upvoted thread on reddit about his bugs, yet no response from Riot).

As for editing this thread, it's pretty much useless to edit this one, as it's been downvoted too much. If i ever do decide to make another post about Dynamic Queue, it will when Riot publicly state that they won't put solo queue back in the game officially. (which they will never do, as they did with sandbox mode, they'll always leave it a ''maybe'', which we all know would have been a ''NO WE WONT DO IT'' if people didn't complain so much about it (exactly the same as when sandbox mode was cancelled))

Meep Man3 votes

Twist words for anything and you can make it sound like that.

Shac Norris2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lLBWqLpB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-15T17:10:28.424+0000)

Twist words for anything and you can make it sound like that.

Read the whole thing, if you still think that SOLO QUEUE is coming back, then you need to question your intelligence.

Psychotic Poro1 votes

improving the solo player experience against premades.

Honestly, curse had it right to their program autoconnecting the random teammates in voice chat together using their program. It wont come back because Riot decided it was a 3rd party program that gives significant advantage, but its really what this game needed was some type of built in VC or even a sponsored/official 3rd party program like curse. That's the easiest and most effective way to improve the solo player experience against premades.

I believe in all honesty that we'll either see this, or Solo Queue will come. Otherwise they'll implement some type of buff on queuing solo or debuff with the more you group with both of which will be hated by everyone and be the new constant complaint of the board. Games needed voice chat since the beginning anyway

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

Now someone bashing dynamic queue is getting downvoted instead of upvoted. It's amazing how far a little communication can go for changing people's minds.

Shac Norris3 votes

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Now someone bashing dynamic queue is getting downvoted instead of upvoted. It's amazing how far a little communication can go for changing people's minds.

I think people are more pissed because i used the word ''official'' rather than something like '' i think its clear that..''

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