They're just going to wait until everybody has forgot about it, then proceed to keep shoving their dynamic queue down our throats.
It's not unusual for RIOT to do stuff like that.
Fovere18 votesThroughout the years, I've generally admired Riot for their business model and attitudes towards running their company.
LoL is legitimately f2p, and buying skins/etc. gives you no advantage in the game. As a small company, they worked hard to make their game rich, enjoyable, and legitimate. They did very well and deserve their success.
As a large company (with a parent), they are trying to do something unprecedented, and I can admire them for that as well. They've come a long way since that live broadcast of S2 worlds, and are clearly working hard to blaze trails for League as the first "mainstream" e-sport.
Personally, I want them to succeed. League has become such a rich community, going so far beyond the game itself. I remember hearing the first League-related music and thinking it must have been a joke, but no. We have League art in every conceivable form - from sketches to elaborate sculptures and life-sized equipment, to say nothing of all the cosplay/costumes people have come up with.
It would be a shame to see everything that's been building up to this over the last 5+ years get ruined by a few bad decisions. DQ in particular is not something that can be "fixed" or "tweaked". It's noncompetitive by definition, and you can't change that fact. I have nothing against a "ladder" that lets any sized group join, but to replace the competitive ladders with this farce is an incredibly bad move.
Elikain1 votesI agree with you but you say that the solution to this particular problem exists and you're not offering any. You're just saying that DQ is bad and that you want it out. Riot said that they believe that DQ is the answer and that they will try to fix it. What they're trying to fix is how matchmaking pairs up players, SQ and premades.
What DQ is supposed to do is offer the same experience SQ players want and that's fair towards their matchmaking and offer the same for party people. Why does it matter if you've chosen to grind the ladder with your own skills and some people like to party up for that? Why are you pointing the finger in their direction and saying "they have an easier time because they're premade and i have to grind"? You've made this choice. No one made it for you.
If Riot fixes the matchmaking problem, then you'll have nothing to worry about and DQ can stay where it is.
Fovere2 votesI agree with you but you say that the solution to this particular problem exists and you're not offering any. You're just saying that DQ is bad and that you want it out. Riot said that they believe that DQ is the answer and that they will try to fix it. What they're trying to fix is how matchmaking pairs up players, SQ and premades.
What DQ is supposed to do is offer the same experience SQ players want and that's fair towards their matchmaking and offer the same for party people. Why does it matter if you've chosen to grind the ladder with your own skills and some people like to party up for that? Why are you pointing the finger in their direction and saying "they have an easier time because they're premade and i have to grind"? You've made this choice. No one made it for you.
If Riot fixes the matchmaking problem, then you'll have nothing to worry about and DQ can stay where it is.
By definition you cannot offer the same experience to an undefined group of people that is offered to solo queue or ranked teams. There is no single identity around which to base a ranking system.
If Riot fixes the matchmaking problem, which in essence will be creating several different queues under the single title of "Dynamic", the problem of rank/rating will still exist.
Given the very large player base I have a hard time understanding why more queues, rather than less, isn't the best solution.
As many people have pointed out, often sarcastically, DQ is a glorified normal. While the tone makes it difficult to accept that argument, it doesn't disqualify it. DQ is essentially the same gaming experience as "normal draft" mode, but with a published MMR.
The solution (to me anyways) would be to return the previous two queue systems and simply move normal draft --> DQ. It should have its own ranking system, which does not need to rely strictly on Elo methodology. Riot seems to want to reward people for playing games as much as, if not more than, playing particularly well, so there could be an "experience" component to the rank. Even with a flat 50% win rate you'd rank up simply by playing games with a bunch of your friends.
It feels like the goal of Riot is to make playing games feel more like progress, with rewards beyond the gameplay itself, I think moving normal/draft into it's own ranking system holds several merits:
It will always have a steady stream of both group and solo players because it serves as a training grounds for ranked gameplay.
The more forgiving rank system will feel less "permanent" and consequential, there is less pressure to perform and win, so people won't be nearly as scared of losing as they are when getting into ranked.
Groups of friends of any size can play and be competitive, and see results through increased ranking/rating.
A system of rewards, unique or otherwise, can be put in place to motivate competitive and noncompetitive players alike to play games in this mode, and help reward success or increase in skill (kind of like how keys and chests are tied to champion diversity and premade groups right now)
Does not interfere or undermine with the more strict competitive play of solo queue and established ranked teams.
Allows a great deal of expansion and improvement, both in terms of "traditional" ranked gameplay and in the "dynamic" mode
My suggestion for the ranking system in this queue would be to replace the 'zero sum' (not strictly a correct term here) system in traditional ranked with one that is more akin to leveling. Elo can't really be used to rank players under these conditions anyways, but we could use MMR to determine the number of points you'd earn in a given match, along with whether you won or loss. So while Elo boosting would give you a short term increase in points earned per match, you'd have to keep playing games to rank up and over time that would drop back down to wherever it is you belong. The system could be normalized so nobody needs to lose points, and so they do not feel they are going backwards when suffering a loss. Every game gets you closer to that next tier just a little.
The rewards associated with ranked could be intermittent (like chests and keys for achieving various milestones) or end of season like traditional ranked. It won't interfere with traditional ranked gameplay/ladders, so the players who want to gauge themselves against other players under standard conditions (solo queue) get their game, and groups of friends who want to see their efforts reflected in climbing ranks get theirs. You already have an existing player base for this game mode, which could be augmented by adding a reward system if desired. Nobody's game experience is being forced out or undermined, and I think a linear ranking system is far more likely to get the more casual/social player invested in League, because the punishment of those losses is marginalized. Any drop in Elo only temporarily slows your gains, it doesn't take them away.
Casual Ranked
Shac Norris1 votesTo be honest, i stopped caring alot after they changed Khazix's main damage dealer to his W, and then proceed to not completly revert the change. What also didn't help was the Sejuani and cinderhulk incident, also Evelynn's nerfs, and Gragas being left out in the street to die for months.
And right now, my main, AP Shaco, can't even be played properly because of this season's meta, along with many other mages, and is being completly countered by a single item (red trinket), with no answer from RIOT. Yet ,ZED, just got a massive buff with qss not removing his ult mark anymore, because RIOT said that being countered by a single item was an unfair mechanic.
This kind of shit is what's driving me away from league.
ff4sk8 votesMore power to them, that will only speed up the death of their game and I have no problem with this game dying.
Synx75 votesMore power to them, that will only speed up the death of their game and I have no problem with this game dying.
Me neither. Hope they go bankrupt. A company that LIES to their playerbase , champ favoritism , and everything bad. HoTs here i come.
Throe5 votesBlizzard is known for class favortism...
Synx73 votesBlizzard is known for class favortism...
U know crap about Blizzard , compared to this incompetent company that lies to their playerbase, claims they fixed even death recap when in fact they didn't , and broken promises. The only MOBA that can't deal with AFKS because everything is abused apparently. AND owns only 1 game. Blizz owns 6 huge games and manages to update them and everything. Riot can't even fix this game, only 1 game, which is a moba. Shame
Faceroll Tactics3 votesBlizzard lies to their playerbase all the time. Just look at the hole WoW is descending down, the company screwed over the legacy players by shutting down private servers, the blizzard store has been getting more content added to it than the actual game (and league is f2p and WoW isn't, money grubbers.) And when asked about a possible addition to the game, their response is "you don't want that, you think you do, but you don't.)
But apparently Riot is worse than Blizzard
Elikain2 votesFunny how you talk about "fixing their game". Mind outlining the game's problems that need to be fixed then? And try not to be vague about it.
Keevalroy2 votesAs someone who came from WoW; you know jack shit about Blizzard if you're that quick to defend them...
Synx73 votesAs someone who came from WoW; you know jack shit about Blizzard if you're that quick to defend them...
Actually im still playing it . http://www.warmane.com/ WoTLK. So go ******* urself. Quitted retail 3 months ago after i bought it on the 75% sale almost this christmas. The changes are doing in Legion will bring the death of WoW literally. 7-8 keybind classes. LoL has more and its a MOBA. They failed , but anyawys , Riot ain't any better than Blizzard anyway , they're 100000% worse
Keevalroy3 votesYeah I want legacy servers too and Blizzard fucked the game up after Cataclysm was released, but as much as I absolutely _hate _ the direction Riot is going in currently, they've only have a taste of the insanity Blizzard has barfed out at the community for the last 5 or 6 years. They're only comparable - I wouldn't put Riot level or worse than Blizz...yet. I'm still holding out hope that they'll realize the damage they're doing before it's too late.
sir d wreck2 votesI remember years ago when gaming companies never even talked to their player base. As much as I agree Riot has really fucked up this season, I can't deny they are more open about what they do than most companies/games I see. That is one of the reasons I haven't left yet. I literally have seen a suggestions from the forums make it into the game as a balance changes and skins added quite a few times over the years consistently. Hell, even for reworks Riot listens to suggestions and ideas (and sometimes doesn't, but there is a lot of people with different opinions so 100% of people will never be happy with a change, and this isn't an easy thing to do because no matter what a group of people will always complain about something... ex: GIVE US URF!!!.... URF SUCKS!!!). The fact Riot can communicate with their player base and even get ideas from them is a very good thing, and I think this season they have been missing the mark a lot, but I'm not gonna give up on them yet. I do not hope they go bankrupt, I just hope they smarten up make good decisions and fix this damn season, and if the game starts to really suck I'll just leave. I had a blast over the years up until this season, so I'm not gonna abandon ship yet despite how much I hate this season.
Elikain2 votesWhat champion favoritism? Considering that they're doing whole class updates, you're acting like a child now.
Icestar11861 votesHoTs here i come.
Bye. Have fun.
Elikain2 votesI see. You also don't have a problem with still having an account for their game and still playing it? Talk about being hypocritical. As far as the game dying out, you wish that's going to happen.
ff4sk4 votesNice try putting words into my mouth. but no where did I say in my post that I wished their game would die. Simply said I'd have no problem with it dying because I simply don't care enough about this game to try and support it if it were dying.
Why do you feel the need to put words into my mouth though if you don't mind me asking? Do you just want to flame and harass people for having different opinions than you?
Elikain1 votesI see. What a hilarious and a contradictory statement. You no longer care what happens to their game but you care because you're still posting on their boards? Normally, you'd only use the forums and boards if you'd wish for them to improve something so that their game can become better but not you, apparently.
I see no inkling of constructive criticism in your comments so i can only assume you've come here to be melodramatic. You're trying to scare Riot into thinking that you or anyone else leaving should cause an earthquake that will destroy the company? Do you seriously believe that in these 7 years of League, no people have came and quit at all? It's pretty common for a game to have a traffic of players in both ways and you, my friend, are only going to be a part of their statistic about this traffic but you won't be the denting blow.
ff4sk4 votesSome people post to improve the game, some post to bring issues to light and hope riot actually listens.
I still don't see why I need to explain to you why I have an account on a site.
I'm curious though as to why you're avoiding replying to both my last questions.
But I think my questions kind of answer themselves, you're a sad little fanboy putting words into people's mouth to give yourself reason to harass them right?
Because how dare I have a different opinion than you.
Elikain2 votesI say, your comments are even more hilarious and more contradictory with each reply. How come you expect to leave your unwanted and irrelevant opinion on a public forum and not expect a reply from someone who's on either side of the argument? Who's putting words in who's mouth now?
I simply said that averagely intelligent people, when not caring about something, won't waste their breath and energy into making any kind of a statement because they don't care.
##You obviously still care about League, even with your futile attempts to prove otherwise. You still have an account, you still play their game and you still use their forums to leave your opinion on them. You still care. If you want them to believe that you don't care, then you leave all this behind and forget about League forever. On the plus side of you leaving, you won't bother anyone else with your buffoonery.
ff4sk4 votesAgain, I said I have no problem with it dying, I simply don't care enough to support the game. Why are you getting so mad and frustrated over me not caring lol?
You're weird dude, and obviously suffer from mental issues if you can't handle people having different opinions than you.
Tl;dr quit spamming me with walls of text, I don't care what you have to say.
Elikain8 votesI am not even the slightest bit of mad. Your actions are contradicting your words. You're lying to yourself and you think that by repeating it aloud enough times, it will become the truth. Maybe for you but i'm telling you how i, and everyone else sees it.
I don't care what you have to say.
You most certainly do. Again, one more example of your actions speaking louder than your lying words.
ff4sk3 votesThe fact you're literally stalking my profile and replying to every post I make shows that you definitely are mad and this is becoming a form of harassment.
My actions don't contradict anything I've said, you won't leave me alone.
Maybe I'm repeating myself because you literally won't stop spamming me and won't get it through your skull.
I don't care what you see dude you're literally stalking me right now, it's psychotic.
ok dude what ever helps you sleep at night, jesus christ can you please stop spamming me now?
Elikain1 votesYou're pretty much overcome by extreme paranoia at this point. I'm not stalking you nor i care about your name or rank.
You're complaining that i won't stop replying to you and i'm harassing you? Again, what makes you think you can leave your opinion on a public forum and not get a public response, from anyone? If you wish not to be talked to, don't make yourself available for a reply by leaving your opinions on places where such form of communication is possible and encouraged.
And as far as you being open for communication, that's false too. You want to force your opinions onto others, you want them to be the absolute truth and you don't want anyone else to bother you while you're at it. If that's the case, if i ever see you or anyone like you do this, i'll definitely be there to show you the door.
I suggest you stop spreading your unsightly attitude all over the boards and maybe then you won't be bothered by anyone.
Fovere4 votesYou're pretty much overcome by extreme paranoia at this point. I'm not stalking you nor i care about your name or rank.
You're complaining that i won't stop replying to you and i'm harassing you? Again, what makes you think you can leave your opinion on a public forum and not get a public response, from anyone? If you wish not to be talked to, don't make yourself available for a reply by leaving your opinions on places where such form of communication is possible and encouraged.
And as far as you being open for communication, that's false too. You want to force your opinions onto others, you want them to be the absolute truth and you don't want anyone else to bother you while you're at it. If that's the case, if i ever see you or anyone like you do this, i'll definitely be there to put you in place.
I suggest you stop spreading your unsightly attitude all over the boards and maybe then you won't be bothered by anyone.
He's not the only person you browbeat with responses, nor the only person noticing the behavior.
You are negative and destructive, you bait responses from people and use it as an excuse to give half-page pontifications on other people's thoughts and behavior. Like the other 2-3 board trolls I've seen, you try to employ broad, nonspecific language when justifying your actions like civil rights or legality have anything to do with it.
Just because this is a 'public forum' does not grant you the right to be a nuisance, and those same "rights" you claim allows you to troll these threads give others the right to call you out.
You come off as attention-seeking and desperate for people to interact with, even if it is through conflict.
Elikain1 votesIs that so? What i'm not justifying is when people base their arguments on their emotions and refuse to see other solutions to the problems other then their own. I do understand them but that's no way to discuss anything, especially when they don't want to be reasoned with. This forum is not their special place to leave their emotions unchecked nor is anyone obligated to take it. I'm not going to facilitate nor encourage this kind of behavior.
Don't hold yourself above the same critique you've given me. "Being destructive" as you've put it is clearly recognized with wild emotional standpoints and the refusal to be reasoned with. I've not demonstrated this attitude nor was i being passive-aggressive.
I have no desire to waste my breath on sophistry.
Fovere2 votesIs that so? What i'm not justifying is when people base their arguments on their emotions and refuse to see other solutions to the problems other then their own. I do understand them but that's no way to discuss anything, especially when they don't want to be reasoned with. This forum is not their special place to leave their emotions unchecked nor is anyone obligated to take it. I'm not going to facilitate nor encourage this kind of behavior.
Don't hold yourself above the same critique you've given me. "Being destructive" as you've put it is clearly recognized with wild emotional standpoints and the refusal to be reasoned with. I've not demonstrated this attitude nor was i being passive-aggressive.
I have no desire to waste my breath on sophistry.
I give you the board troll.
Icestar11863 votesFriendly reminder that a lot of us don't care either way
IceKingChernobog3 votesIf they came out and said that, most people would uninstall and drop this game faster than hydreigon's competitive use after gen 5
Tufio2 votesSo true.
Elikain2 votesIt's not unusual for RIOT to do stuff like that.
Examples?
Average Bard1 voteshttps://media.giphy.com/media/olbigRnywa9Ww/giphy.gif
Who watches the Riot Devs?
PbJMpP4xzk1 votesLeague of Legend is a REAL F2P game yeah just the only most expensive game of all time
